BJ, now you just made my day too!!
Yes, please connect me with Sara and I will ad Sunny into any exchange as well. I am not the children person, but she is. What I 'got into' is simply a very close seat inside the whole community in the town where I work the local Postoffice. And yes, it meanwhile turned into walk-ins for help which I then provide after hours. Since 4 years I see and learn, and the only ways to change the patterns is to 1. understand the struggle of a community and 2. Explain a better way to the children. Because the parents are too busy hunting and gathering the things they need to live without ever having enough funds or support, so the animals certainly slide down in their priority list.
Last year in fall I started our non profit, and I had to replace my partnering Directors living off the Rez already and replaced with people having the same vibe, living here their whole live and know what is going on, by carrying the needed amount of empathy for peoples situations. Getting the children to care will bring the parents to the table to support them. Because here, the children are everything!!
Excuse my wording, I am a german original, moved here 14 years ago.
Another Organisation just moved into town and funded the Little Chickadee Learning Lodge, so things are moving in the right direction, but we need to find a spot in there for animal welfare. The daughter of a great Crow Educator, Lucy Real Bird, (Henry Real Birds daughter), said a thing I cannot get out of my head:
"Back in the days we took care of our animals, because we were able too". Colonization destroying their way of life, and therefore the ability to care for their animals, which includes horses also. Lucy is working as a teacher here in Crow Agency. She would be a great intel for Sara as well to find a path for her work into the many native communities. Look what is happening on Canadian Reserves!
I am very excited that I found this thread!
Let's stay in touch! I am trying to gather funds for a community dog that caught CTVT, it is spreading here, and she is the second one we discovered. So I am trying to get sources for food to keep the little funds we have for her treatment. The real life of a non profit I guess.
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Pilu Pretty On Top
Found. Director
Good Luck Road
MT
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-09-2026 06:12 PM
From: Bj Adkins
Subject: Humane Education efficacy
Pilu, this made my day. You picked up exactly the thread I was hoping someone would.
You and I land in the same place on this. The system changes through the kids, and the adults follow them. There is even a measurable logic to it that an evaluator on this forum and I were just talking through: when you teach a child, you reach the parent through that child, the same way fire-safety education has always worked. That parent-engagement path is one of the few corners of humane education that actually shows up in outcomes.
Sara Kimball is the person you want. She built a kids program called Ralph's Responders that pairs animal care with disaster preparedness, and she wrote a children's book, Rowen and the Animal Shelter, that teaches kids what to do when they find a stray. Her materials live at lsart.org in the kids corner. I would be glad to connect you two directly so you are not piecing it together from the outside.
The work you are taking on in SE Montana is the hard version of this. Services on the Reservations are thin to nonexistent in a lot of places, the kind of gap that never shows up in a national dataset, and you know those communities in a way no outside program ever will. Whatever Sara has should be a starting point you shape to fit the communities you serve, not a script to follow. You are the right person to carry it there.
Say the word and I will make the introduction to Sara.
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Join The Shift To Prevention.
BJ Adkins
Founder/Director
Animal-Angels Foundation
Pinson, AL
calendy.com/animal-angels
bjadkins@animal-angels.org
animal-angelsfoundation.org
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-09-2026 06:06 PM
From: Pilu Pretty On Top
Subject: Humane Education efficacy
This was just beautiful intel discovered in time. One of our longterm fosters from another foster based rescue will be looking now into childrens
animal welfare education here on the Reservations in SE Montana. My impression is since years already, that the only way to change the ways is through the children and we will be looking deep into what Sara has in storage for us!
Thank you for putting this out here!
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Pilu Pretty On Top
Found. Director
Good Luck Road
MT
pilu@goodluckroad.org
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-09-2026 05:18 PM
From: Bj Adkins
Subject: Humane Education efficacy
Tami, I am going to give you the honest version instead of the cheerleading version, because you are an evaluator and you will see through the cheerleading anyway.
Our own humane education work is just getting started, so I am not going to pretend I have years of outcome data to hand you. I do not. But I can tell you why you keep hearing it does not work, and it is not because it does not work. It is a measurement problem.
Most humane education gets evaluated, when it gets evaluated at all, on attitude and knowledge in the short term. Did the kids enjoy it, did they answer questions better right after. That part the research supports reasonably well, near-term empathy and attitude shift. What almost nobody measures is the long-term behavior outcome, because that is expensive, slow, and the programs are too under-resourced to track it. So the field ends up with a pile of warm anecdotes and very little durable outcome data, and leaders read that gap as proof of failure. It is not proof of failure. It is proof of underfunded evaluation. The data did not catch up because nobody built the measurement to catch it.
That is also the way out, and it is right in your wheelhouse. Tie every humane education touch to one measurable downstream outcome you actually care about, and design the measurement in from day one instead of bolting it on later. Not did they have fun, but did this cohort show a different rate of something you can count. Build the program backward from the metric and you stop having to believe until the data catches up, because you are generating the data as you go.
On your animal control officer being barred while the vet tech is welcome, that is its own quiet tell. The officer is exactly the person who could reframe how those kids see animal services for life, and the field keeps its own messengers in separate rooms.
One concrete thing I can offer. I know someone you should talk to. Sara Kimball runs a kids program called Ralph's Responders built on the idea that teaching kids forces parent engagement, the same way fire-safety education reaches parents through their children. That parent-engagement angle is one of the more measurable efficacy paths in humane education. If you want, I will connect you two.
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Join The Shift To Prevention.
BJ Adkins
Founder/Director
Animal-Angels Foundation
Pinson, AL
calendy.com/animal-angels
bjadkins@animal-angels.org
animal-angelsfoundation.org
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-09-2026 07:39 AM
From: Tami Harbolt
Subject: Humane Education efficacy
Thank you for responding, Brittany! I wish you were in Louisville so you could come talk to my campers!!
I am going to have to do a deep dive on a literature search to see what I can find. Sometimes we have to just keep on believing until the data catches up I guess.
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Tami Harbolt
Assistant professor
UNiversity of Louisville
KY
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Original Message:
Sent: 06-08-2026 12:22 PM
From: Brittany Vanderstine (She/Her)
Subject: Humane Education efficacy
Hey Tami,
I'm genuinely shocked to hear that there are places that say these humane education initiatives don't make a difference! Full disclosure, my rescue is an exotic pet trade rescue, not cats and dogs. That being said, we do animal education (to promote adopting not shopping, and basic welfare thoughts for the audience to keep in mind). And I personally feel that it makes a difference. It leads to people becoming fosters, adopters, sending their friends our info, etc. We do these programs for everyone from preschool to retirement homes.
While I have never researched the statistics of this, and am only speaking from personal experience, I would disagree with anyone, any day, that these in-person education programs do not work. From personal experience :)
I've attached a photo from a humane education class we did recently. The students spoke little english, and we had to utilize a translator. Still, they were so excited and were asking so many wonderful questions about adoption vs shopping.
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Brittany Vanderstine
Founder
Wild Exotics Animal Refuge
NJ
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