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  • 1.  Diarrhea help... any thoughts?

    Posted 01-09-2025 07:13 AM

    I have two litters. 
    Litter A-GSD x born 11/22/24-  watery bloody stool, no parvo smell...Giardia Positive 12/21, Float rounds, Parvo negative. Treated with Panacur 7 day twice  due to some staff error, Metro, pro pectalin. All improved until today. 2 are runny again.  Never been any vomiting.
    Litter B Lab mixes born 10/24/24- Tested positive for giardia 12/23. fecal rounds,  I will admit I forgot a parvo on this one as they were nose to nose with the other pups due to board not thinking. Both pups improved on just panacur as poop was just running no blood.  Adopted out brother. Next day brother 2 in the shelter, liquid stools again. Vet had us treated again to a soft serve pudding consistency. 8 days later brother, not in shelter, tested positive for parvo at adopters vet. The vet tested on no vomiting or diarrhea, just a low energy level. I immediately tested our pup. It's negative. I place him in Isolation. He is currently on EN food, pro pectalin and finishing panacur, and we added metro at 20mg/kg on Tuesday. vomited once 10 days ago but had a plastic piece in in.

    Anything I should add, change to probios? send  off etc? I am reparvo testing everything. It is not bloody on any of them. Nor does it have a parvo smell. 

    My vet asked me to reach out as we are at an end of what to do 


    #Medicine,SurgeryandSterilization

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    Marisa Schlauderaff
    Veterinary Technician
    Humane Society of the Lakes
    MN
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  • 2.  RE: Diarrhea help... any thoughts?

    Posted 01-09-2025 07:54 AM

    Ive had diarrhea with several of my dogs off and on. Had them to vets bloodwork & stools checked even had stool sent out to lab. Nothing found probiotics was what cleared it up. 



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    Janice Trzeciak
    volunteer
    Great Pyrenees Club of Western Pa
    PA
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  • 3.  RE: Diarrhea help... any thoughts?

    Posted 01-10-2025 09:31 AM

    The average incubation period for parvovirus is 4-6 days, but can be up to 14 days.  While it is possible the adopted pup was infected at your shelter given the timing there is a very good chance that this pup was actually exposed after it left which may be good news for your pup that are still there.  However, I do think isolation is great idea.  Given the potential exposure I would definitely send out a sample for a PCR to make sure as there are cases of parvovirus not showing up on the in-house tests.   I would caution on using smell or blood as a diagnostic indicator for parvovirus, while we all know how it can smell just because it doesn't does not mean it isn't there. 

    I will pass along our general protocol for diarrhea in puppies (puppy = under 6 months):

    • Confirm vaccination status (we vaccinate every 2 weeks beginning at 4 weeks of age with their last vaccination at 18 weeks of age, or until they leave the shelter).
    • If the puppy is showing no signs of systemic disease (i.e., happy, active, eating, and drinking) and no history of exposure we do not immediately test for parvovirus, instead we move to fecal screening.
      • In house fecal screening, if NPS then a giardia SNAP is run.  I try to stress the "3 scoops from 3 different poops" (i.e. doing a fecal sample on 3 bowel movements from 3 different times) when possible to increase chances of finding what we are looking for as parasites are sneaky.
      • If the fecal screening is negative we proceed with supportive care - GI food, probiotics, etc.,
      • If the diarrhea is continuing despite supportive care (assuming the puppies are still happy) after 5-7 days then we will send out to our reference lab for an infectious diarrhea panel (this is a PCR panel that screens for infectious organisms).
    • However, if the puppy is showing signs of systemic illness or has known exposure to a positive case then we do screen for parvovirus with a SNAP test.  If it's negative and we have a strong suspicion we usually will send the stool out to the lab to confirm results with a PCR.  If that is negative we proceed with the steps above.
    • If no response after that we consider additional diagnostic testing.

    We also do use routine deworming for our population to treat more prophylactically than reactively, but we are not a large shelter.  Dogs are dewormed with Strongid T at 2, 4, 6 weeks (along with bitch), toltrazuril at 0.4 kg and over 2 weeks (or on entry), fendendazole x 3 days at 8 weeks of age or at entry, then a broad spectrum deworming tablet every month thereafter while they are at the shelter (must include rounds and hooks).  What you do may be dependent on what you commonly see, size of shelter, and budget.  We see a lot of coccidia and giardia, the prophylactic treatment has reduced the amount of outbreaks we have had.  With the watery stool you are describing if you are getting negative results with the parvovirus, even when you send out,  coccidia may be something to consider as it can cause that really water like poop and can sometimes be hard to find.

    We try to avoid antibiotics like metronidazole as much as possible given the potential impacts to gut flora unless it is truly indicated (giardia, clostridium, etc.,), a probiotic will help rebuild it after the giardia treatment.

    I hope this helps a bit with your situation.



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    Stephanie Gunsinger
    Supervisor
    Brampton Animal Serviceds
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  • 4.  RE: Diarrhea help... any thoughts?

    Posted 01-27-2025 03:00 PM

    Dealing with giardia and potential parvo issues in two litters sounds so overwhelming-you're definitely going above and beyond to care for them! It sounds like you're on the right track with the treatments, especially using Panacur, Metro, and EN food for gut support. Adding a high-quality probiotic could be a good idea to help restore their gut flora after everything they've been through.

    Also, re-testing for parvo is definitely smart given the situation, especially since symptoms can vary so much. If you're looking for ways to further support their health, keeping up with parasite prevention is crucial too. Products like Bravecto Without Vet Prescription could be helpful to keep other parasites at bay while you're tackling these issues.



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    Tyrone Pierce
    Veterinarian
    Maryland Hospital
    MD
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  • 5.  RE: Diarrhea help... any thoughts?

    Posted 01-28-2025 07:04 AM

    Hi Marissa,  I know it's been 18 days since you posted, so I hope that you have experienced some improvement.  I'll share what we use for panleuk kitties...it also works for other GI issues that may or may not be related giardia, parvo, parasites, etc.

    A Fecal PCR can help check for giardia that may be resistant to metro.  From there, other antibiotics, like ronidazole, can help kick it.

    As for therapeutic treatments, here's our game plan:

    • Electrolytes (we do this in the form of SQ fluids since I usually only have one to three at a time.  For big litters, PuppyLyte power could be helpful)
    • Probiotics like Proviable or S. Boullardi  (and not the propec or fortiflora.  Both are so loaded with artificial flavors and other junk that may not always help)
    • Vitamin B supplements (we start with an injectable one and then continue with Pet Tinic once a day)
    • Psyllium Husk (the unflavored OTC stuff can help to gel stuff up, and a little goes a long way when sprinkled on their food).
    • Freeze-dried glandular products for added vitamins and support

    No matter the GI issues (parvo, parasites, food sensitivities/changes, stress) these have seemed to help our kitties get through the worst of the diarrhea.  Metro is a nice little add on for the first 3 days that can help rebalance the bacteria while the other supplements kick in.

    Please share with us an update on how all these kiddos are doing.



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    Monica Bennion
    Clowder 9 Ranch
    Buhl, ID
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