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Supporting shelter dogs’ behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

  • 1.  Supporting shelter dogs’ behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 29 days ago

    Hi 😊  

     What does a day in the life look like for a dog with behavior concerns at the San Francisco SPCA? What do other organizations do to support their dogs?  

    Join us on Wednesday, April 3 at 10 am PT/1 pm ET when we’ll hear from Dr. Wailani Sung, Founder of Bay Area Vet Behavior, who will review all the components that are needed to keep our shelter behavior dogs as happy and mentally healthy as possible through the use of daily management plans, enrichment schedules, volunteer involvement, behavior modification exercises and for some dogs, the use of behavioral medication. 

     Dr. Sung’s session will be followed by two short videos: 

    • Weekly Group Shelter Dog Obedience Classes at Shelby Humane with Joanna Pagel, Operations Director and Behavior Manager 

    • Supporting Shelter Dogs with Behavior Plans at SICSA Pet Adoption and Wellness Center with Dr. Joyce Voss (@joyce voss), DVM, PhD, Director of Veterinary Services and Animal Care 

    Learn more or register for Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition.  Day 2 happens on Wednesday, April 3 from 9a – 1p/PT, 12p – 4p ET.    

    This thread has been created so that we have a place to discuss and ask questions about this topic now and after the Camp Maddie event. 

    Sheila


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    Sheila Segurson, DVM, DACVB
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    Director of Community Solutions
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  • 2.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:
    "Interesting idea about providing sounds. Do you consider the different sound frequencies that dogs perceive that we don't?"



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  • 3.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Interesting question. I am not sure that the studies specifically looked at different sound frequencies that dogs perceive that we do not. I recommend monitoring the dog's response when sound/music is played to see if you notice that the dog appears more distressed. If yes, we stop playing that particular noise/sound.  It would be helpful if your organization used an FAS+F score which would help you keep track if certain enrichment is helping your population.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 4.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "For tactile stimulation, how might a shelter evaluate what to offer and what not to offer the dog in their kennel or room? Especially if a shelter is unsure if the dog will try to eat non-food items"



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  • 5.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    It is best if someone can observe for the first 5-15 minutes the dog's response to the enrichment item. If the dog does not appear to chew and ingest the item right away, then we can check on the dog in another 15-30 minutes. It is most likely going to be a team effort throughout the day to make sure that the dog does not ingest the item. It should be noted in the dog's record how he responded to certain items.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 6.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "How would you recommend shelter volunteer or staff apply positive reinforcement on walks with the dogs if the shelter guidelines require usage of choke chain (or similar) for walks?"



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  • 7.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    It is possible to use treats and toys to keep the dog by your side to prevent inadvertently applying pressure on the choke chain. Another option would be a treat scatter just 1-2 feet ahead of you so that the dogs do not rush ahead of you and pull on the collar. You can also try using the leash and making a temporary body harness by looping it through one of front legs so that pressure is initially applied on the chest which is less sensitive than their necks. Take a look at this Shelter playgroup alliance (SPA) leash wrap video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TwkmqENtXg

    Not perfect solution but better than just using a simple choke for walks.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 8.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 21 days ago

    Choke Chain????? REALLY? Choke Chain? You can probably hear me screaming from where you are. I've been a professional trainer for almost 40 years, and - choke chain? Have they not heard of opposition reflex? If you grab anything (human, dog, cat) by the throat it will immediately pull away.  Most people don't know how to properly use one (pop up correct as the dog is beginning to get out of position, and TIMING is everything); much less put it on (the loop should make the letter "p" as you are looking at the dog); much less size it properly (there should be a 3" "tail" - not a huge length of chain left over).🤬 I would offer martingale collars as alternatives for dogs that back out of collars, or even slip leads. Both loosen if the dog isn't pulling, thus offering a bit of positive reinforcement for getting things right.  Harnesses are the best option, as they don't garotte the animal and are more forgiving of operator error. When I walk dogs on a properly fitting harness that I think might back out, I attach a large carabiner between the d-ring on the harness and the d-ring on the martingale. Shelters won't have harnesses in all sizes, and putting them on strange and stressed dogs risk bites, but martingales or properly used slip leads (again, the "p" and correct before they get out of position enough to choke) may be possible.

    Back to the question. I use spray cheese in a can, or peanut butter on my hand or a paint stirrer, to target where I want the dog to be and reward it when it is in position. Don't chase the dog with the reward - it only gets access when it is next to you.



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    Lou Meyers
    Trainer/Foster Home
    Dog Training & Behaviour
    NE
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  • 9.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Ideas for getting through to a dog who is either too shut down or over threshold to respond to DSCC attempts? Not all dogs will respond to treats tossed into a kennel."



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  • 10.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    I would try other options for counter-conditioning such as the use of toys, petting, talking to or novel scents. If the dog is too shut down or over threshold, then this dog may be a candidate for the use of behavioral supplements or medication to reduce anxiety.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 11.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 18 days ago

    Dogs are very similar to people, in that many times when we shut down, we find comfort simply by having someone sit with us. Most people are uncomfortable with silence and not interacting with the dog in some way, however, having them on a leash laying down next to you as you do things during your day allows them to get out of their own heads (distracting from their anxiety) and allows them to be invested in connecting to a human, which is one of the most fulfilling things for a dog, outside of food and water. 



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    Kenni Kennedy
    President
    The Kennedy Puppy Foundation
    CA
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  • 12.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 18 days ago

    I don't personally agree with medicating dogs, first of all, once you start medicating them, it's likely they'll continue on the medication for the rest of their lives, which dampers down the quality of life of the dog significantly and can be a financial difficulty for the adopting family. Anxiety in a dog many times comes from them feeling alone in the world, as though they have little or no connection with someone and they revert to their singular animalistic goal- survival. When a dog exists only on the planes of survival, their behavior can be more dominant and aggressive, or depending on the dog, they can be more submissive and shut down. Getting to the root of the anxiety is far more functional than medicating a dog. Not to say that there are special, limited cases where a dog may actually need medication. 



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    Kenni Kennedy
    President
    The Kennedy Puppy Foundation
    CA
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  • 13.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "If you have one staff member for 60 dogs - what is the best and easiest way to provide enrichment?"



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  • 14.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    We have a few low-effort types of enrichment that we provide. For example, we will scatter-feed the dogs, meaning after cleaning the kennels in the morning, we will literally measure out their food, then scatter the kibble throughout the kennel to help encourage foraging activity. We have also done things like use bubble machines in the rooms to give them some visual stimuli; some dogs like to chase the bubbles too. 

    If there is a way to expand your volunteer program, that would be a huge help. I recognize that it is a bit of a process to get started with training and onboarding, and then supporting them so they are happy to keep coming back, and that sometimes this just isn't a readily feasible option. We aren't perfect by any means, but if you want to have a look at our volunteer training resources, let me know and I'm sure I can share some with you.  Even without having volunteers in the building though, at least in our community, we have groups reaching out to us frequently like girl scouts to see if they can help. They have done things for us like stuff Kongs or boxes at home, then just deliver them to us periodically, already ready to pass out to the dogs.



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  • 15.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "CBD for dogs? negative side effects seen? OD symptoms?"



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  • 16.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    I do not recommend using CBD in dogs. Some dogs have sensitivities to CBD and it can elevate the liver enzymes. I also find that CBD appears to only last for 2-6 hours which may not be enough for shelter pets.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 17.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "How often do you see meaningful results from the supplements mentioned? Would you describe them as most appropriate for low or moderate anxiety/stress?"



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  • 18.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    I see about 50% of the dogs improve on supplements. They are most appropriate for low to moderate levels of anxiety. Some of the supplements may take up to one month to take effect.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 19.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "FAOS score chart?"



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  • 20.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    FAS score chart. There are several out there, but here's a link from the Fear Free site: FAS Spectrum and Pain Algorithm (fearfreepets.com)



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  • 21.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "With the group classes, do you limit the to volunteers or allow staff to participate.. do you have a certain level of volunteers to participate!! Love this"



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  • 22.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    It is a mandatory activity for all kennel staff that day, but volunteers are not required to come. Encouraged though! Volunteers do have to have been through basic orientation and have 5 dog walking visits before participating in the class. We also encourage staff members from other departments to participate but only require it for kennel staff.



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    Joanna Pagel
    Operation Director
    Shelby Humane Society
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  • 23.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "What training program for humans is most recommended?  thank you"



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  • 24.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    I am not clear what is actually being asked. A good training program to reduce fear, anxiety, stress and frustration in shelter pets is the Fear Free Shelter program:  https://fearfreeshelters.com/

    If you are asking about dog training programs that uses positive reinforcement then: https://karenpryoracademy.com/ and  https://www.academyfordogtrainers.com/ are good options. There are many good webinars on Maddie's University too on behavior, training and animal handling.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 25.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 20 days ago

    I agree with this.  We have been volunteering at a shelter to help dogs with stress and anxiety.  Sometimes just sitting next to the kennel, not making eye contact with the dog can help. As far as Positive Reinforcement training goes. We stay in the Positive reinforcement quadrant only.  There is a thesis on Constructional Affection that we have been using.  It works wonders for dogs.  I always use a regular collar and leash with hand targeting. I have went through the shelter and trained hand targeting without going into any of the kennels. Dogs want to sniff or bite. I keep my hand clear from the kennel so they can sniff as my hand goes down to the bottom of the kennel. We used treats in the beginning for this. We do not use treats for this now. Anytime someone goes into one of the dog rooms, they are to do this. It takes all of about 1 minute and all dogs stop barking and settle.  That time becomes shorter and shorter each time someone goes into the dog room. We are Positive Reinforcement, R+ Dog Trainers without being fear free certified.  The point to all of this is that we have made our hand a target for the dogs. We use our hand for the hand signal for leash walking. It stops the pulling and reinforces a loose lead while walking.  I can say it is not pretty in the beginning. There is a lot of conditioning we do before we reach this point. Patience is a virtue with shelter dogs. The dogs also react very well with clicker training. We initially train stand in front, eye contact, and the name game before going on walks. That came from KPA training.



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    Kim Jackson
    Dog Trainer
    For The Puppies Foundation Inc
    MS
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  • 26.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Can Solliquin and Zylkene be given life long or only short term?"



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  • 27.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Both products can be used life-long, with no known adverse effects per both manufacturers.



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  • 28.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Can you share the behavior modification plans that you use in shelter (or is each dogs plan an individual) with everyone here, great work!!"



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  • 29.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago
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    Our behavior modification plans basically look like a menu of items, and then for each dog, we will select which of those menu items we will work on . The whole menu is in the handouts section (Maddie's University | Animal Welfare Education Courses: Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2: 4/3/2024 - Certificates for LIVE Attendance (maddiesfund.org); they are the documents called Dog B-Mods or Cat B-Mods).  Attached here is a copy of Kiddles' behavior plan to show you how we used the menu items for a specific dog. The document changes with time, meaning we add or remove items that we pull from the menu, depending on how the dog is progressing. Hopefully this helps!



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  • 30.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "How do you prioritize 3-4 walks per day?"



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  • 31.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    I recognize that 3 to 4 walks per day isn't going to be readily achievable for a lot of shelters. We are a smaller facility with 32 dog kennels on our adoption floor and 21 in our isolation area. We have about a 1:25 staff:dog ratio during each shift, but we also have a lot of volunteers who help manage some of the walks with us or for us. The first walk of the day tends to be a quicker one as a potty break; this is managed primarily by staff. The two middle walks tend to be more substantial. Those are done by animal care staff, volunteers, and sometimes other staff members from other departments when they have opportunity to do so.  The last walk is longer than the first, but often shorter than the  two middle walks.

    In addition to our "regular" volunteer squad, we have a program we call Paw Pals, where we have some volunteers who sign up to be advocates for specific dogs. Those volunteers will often take the dogs out for field trip walks to parks and other areas outside of the shelter. This not only helps get the dogs an extra special walk that day, but it also gives them a break from their kennel, which has been really great for them. And they get extra visibility when they're out in the community.

    We also have a lot of other volunteers who help with a lot of the other "back of the house" types of activities, such as laundry and dishes. That really helps us free up staff time for the walks, enrichment, and training.



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  • 32.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Can the OTC natural supplements you discussed be given with SSRIs and melatonin?"



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  • 33.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    The OTC supplements such as l-theanine and Solliquin should only be added to the shelter pet's medication protocol after consultation with a veterinarian. Dogs that are on SSRIs already have a higher level of serotonin, placing them on l-theanine or Solliquin can potentially increase the serotonin level even higher. This can potentially place certain dogs at risk for developing serotonin syndrome. They need to be carefully monitored. 



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 34.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "I'm in a rescue that has a hard time getting fosters so many of our dogs are in boarding kennels. What do you recommend for recruiting and keeping fosters and working with kennels to provide more enrichment?"



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  • 35.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago
    1. Speak with kennel staff/manager to determine what their capacity is. Can any staff members help or donate some of their time at the end of the day to do treat/puzzle toy drops?
    2. How about putting a limitation on fosters? Meaning can someone foster for 2-3 days versus needing to foster the dog the entire time until they get adopted?
    3. Remember being able to do a foster respite, spending 1-7 days out of the kennel environment, can do so much to reduce cortisol levels and improve the dog's mental welfare.
    4. Please take a look at this website for additional ideas: https://gatewaypets.org/how-to-help/foster/unicorn-foster-program/
    5. Recruit volunteers that can go by each to drop off enrichment items or do treat scatters, or work on short sessions of behing the bar training, or just sit outside the kennel and read to the dogs.


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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 36.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "What enrichment is most effective for 'dangerous' dogs who may spend months at the shelter due to legal proceedings? If they do not have access to outside, would you recommend they be trained to walk on a control pole, or to wear a basket muzzle, etc. so they can be removed from their kennel safely?"



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  • 37.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    I assume you are talking about a dog who is on hold for evidence in a court case and cannot be viewed by the public? Or do you mean a dog who is labeled dangerous due to a bite history? Either way I would put this type of dog in your largest available kennel, preferably a guillotine, and focus on food enrichment. Switch it up each time, so go frozen puzzle feeder one day, frozen kong the next, stuffed toilet paper roll, scatter feed, peanut butter frisbee on the door, and so on. Provide various types of bedding options if possible as well. Scent enrichment such as dog safe essential oils, animal fur, and even different dog safe food items can be added to the routine. I would not train a dog to walk on a catch pole as those are for more emergency and dangerous situations and are highly stressful for the dog. If the dog can be leashed and walked, absolutely implement that. If they have to be moved by catch pole, I personally would choose to limit that and be working on getting the dog to be able to be safely leashed. Hope that helps!



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    Joanna Pagel
    Operation Director
    Shelby Humane Society
    AL
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  • 38.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Is there a resource with a list of recommended toys for outdoor and indoor play and enrichment ideas?"



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  • 39.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    Please check out the following websites:

    https://www.aspcapro.org/resource-library?f%5B0%5D=topic%3A3116&page=0

    https://tullystraining.com/blog/the-best-puzzle-toys-to-keep-your-dog-busy

    Here are some toy options:

    -          Kong Wobbler:** https://www.amazon.com/KONG-PW1-Wobbler-Large/dp/B003ALMW0M

    -          Zogoflex:** https://www.chewy.com/west-paw-zogoflex-toppl-tough-treat/dp/109834

    -          Nina Ottosson:** https://www.nina-ottosson.com/

    -          Bob-a-lot by Starmark:** https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001JQLNB4

    -          IQ treat ball by Pet Zone:** https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00OZOQN3U

    -          Outward Hound fun feeder:** https://www.chewy.com/outward-hound-fun-feeder-interactive/dp/113715

    -          Omega Paw tricky treat ball:** https://www.chewy.com/omega-paw-tricky-treat-ball-dog-toy/dp/51234



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 40.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "How do you provide adopters of these difficult dogs with easy to use resources to continue/modify for at home?"



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  • 41.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 18 days ago

    I am not quite sure I understand this question. How we provide adopters of difficult dogs with resources is by emailing a list of resources they can  explore. On that list would be the names of local hands on trainers, online trainers and list of YouTube videos that we recommend such as Kikopup, Zak George, Michael Shikashio, etc. If the shelter provides post adoption support, then provide the shelter phone number or email for adopters to follow up on. The behavior dogs should also be sent home with a treatment plan - things to avoid and things the new adopters can do and exercises they can work on with their new pet.



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 42.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Is it worth defining what we mean by 'walks', especially around the desire of wanting at least 2 per day? As far as wanting the let the dog out to eliminate, agree. But I don't know if a walk is something every dog wants or enjoys or the staff has time.  Does this go back to what Mike Shikashio and Dr. Sung indicated about the needs of each individual dog.  I think the challenge is in some shelters where understanding each individual dog requires resources (i.e. a credentialed behavior staff) the shelter does not have or may not be aware are resources they need"



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  • 43.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 18 days ago

    Yes, it is important for each organization to define what a "walk" is versus "potty break". "Potty break" could be 5-10 minutes out of the shelter to allow the dog to eliminate outside and briefly sniff around. Whereas a "walk" can be defined as time spent out of the kennel for 10 minutes or longer. This is important for each organization to define. It is also important to determine if the pet does WANT to go on a walk. The previous shelter I worked in was right in the heart of the city. A lot of the dogs that came from rural areas were overwhelmed and scared walking on the busy city streets with cars, buses, scooters and bikes racing by. For those dogs, we prioritized potty breaks and spending time in quieter areas of the campus, whether it was inside or outside. You do not need credentialed behavior staff to provide appropriate resources to individual animals. Set up some parameters and make sure that volunteers and staff write notes about each dog outing away from the kennel. But someone does need to review the notes and make the changes in the dog's plan. For instance, if a volunteer took the dog out to the street and the dog pancakes and starts panting and is frozen for 10 minutes and it took another 10 minutes for the volunteer to finally bring the dog back to his kennel - the volunteer needs to enter those notes and those notes need to be flagged.  It can also be something simple like, if volunteers do not think the dog enjoyed his outing then that dog is flagged for further evaluation by staff.  The staff reads the note and make changes to the dog's plan - do not take out on the street, instead take the dog to the play yard or shy dog room for out of kennel activity. OR spend more time in kennel petting, playing or reading to the dog.  



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    Wailani Sung
    veterinary behaviorist
    Bay Area Vet Behavior
    CA
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  • 44.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 17 days ago

    I volunteer in a shelter with a very large field with a trail around the perimeter, which is an excellent and safe way for dogs to get a 20-30 minute walk, safely away from other dogs. I used to work in a very downtown urban shelter and the walks were full of traffic noise, little grass so not much sniffing, and dogs that were with members of the public strolled by! Night and Day these two shelters. We also have a fenced in "potty yard" for when staff are cleaning kennels and they do rotations into the yard all day, while volunteers get the longer walks in the field in, aiming for at least once a day. 



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    Kendra Wagner
    Volunteer
    Whatcom Humane Society
    WA
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  • 45.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "What are the steps for letting dogs out of their kennel immediately prior to play group?"



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  • 46.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are asking. Could you elaborate please?



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  • 47.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "We are experiencing a large population of dogs not being suitable for play group. Is this a trend other people are seeing?"



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  • 48.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 22 days ago

    That tends to be an issue with the dog testing procedure itself. We see about 75% (roughly) at any given time being dog friendly enough to have at least a dog or two they can spend some time in the yard with. I'd say about 10-20% are highly dog selective and do not seem to enjoy much fully contact with other dogs but can at least pair walk with others. There are very few that are truly dog aggressive and never get to the point of successful socialization even after going through pair walking and highly structured intros. I would look into establishing a solid dog to dog intro plan and going from there. Feel free to email me for an example of what we do and resources we used to develop our process! 

    behavior@shelbyhumane.org 



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  • 49.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 19 days ago

    YES!! Which makes cleaning time longer with my very limited staff! And harder to adopt. 



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  • 50.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 19 days ago

    The COVID dogs. And, since then the people riding the coattails of that trend who also don't have time to socialize their dogs and treat them as toys to be put away when they have other things to do. Plus, the "emotional support dogs" that "didn't work out." Not forgetting the dogs that have lived in apartments and learned to be reactive to almost anything.

    Training is such a simple concept, yet so many people believe their dogs don't need it because the humans "don't have time for it." 🤦‍♀️ Even if I offer free or very low-cost training for dogs that really really need it, in classes or privately, people don't follow up because they "don't have time." Yet, if I look on their social media pages, they have time and money for all kinds of other things. The dogs and cats and horses suffer so much. 

    I wish I knew how to make pet training and exercise a priority. Or, a way to get the people who need to hear educational information to watch, listen, or read. There is so much stuff online about the joys of dogs and different breeds that our messages go unnoticed, I think.



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  • 51.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    Unanswered question from the chat:

    "Do you prioritize euthanasia for dogs that are 'shut down' due to 'kennel stress' or do you offer enrichment, then re-eval?"



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  • 52.  RE: Supporting shelter dogs' behavioral health discussion (Camp Maddie: Behavior Edition Day 2)

    Posted 23 days ago

    For us, we will try to see how/if we can help the dog with their FAS.  We will explore things like medication, enrichment, change of environment, and/or foster. Most of the time, at least one of those interventions can help for our dogs.  We re-evaluate if it's not helping, then decide if there's something else we can try. If none of it works despite trying to tweak the parameters mentioned above, then we need to start the conversation about euthanasia due to concerns about QoL.



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