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  • 1.  Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 20 days ago
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    Hello everyone,

    Purple Paws for Peace here. We are a 501(c)(3) nonprofit based in Placer County, California, and we're seeking professional insight from those with experience in canine behavior and training-particularly with dogs who have experienced trauma.

    For those unfamiliar with our work, we provide emergency housing for the pets of domestic violence survivors so survivors can safely enter shelter and escape dangerous or potentially life‑threatening situations. While we are very comfortable working with animals, we are continually learning how to support pets who have endured trauma. Our approach centers on patience, consistency, and compassion, paired with firm, appropriate correction when needed.

    We recently received two dogs who are displaying significant behavioral challenges. Both are friendly and affectionate with humans, which is a tremendous advantage. However, the female shows notable aggression toward other dogs. One of our boarding partners is assisting with her training, but they can only accommodate one dog at a time.

    The male, whom we are training ourselves, is unneutered and has a very dominant personality. It's clear that neither dog has received structured training in the past. His breed mix-Cane Corso and Husky-means he is large, strong, and highly intelligent.

    During walks, he pulls constantly. I've worked with pullers before and have always been able to correct the behavior quickly by shortening the leash and keeping the dog at my side. In this case, he reacts by jumping toward me and turning abruptly. I stop, have him sit, and reset before continuing, but he remains extremely stubborn and physically powerful. He is, in short, a handful, and I am a 6'0 male and 200 pounds. Even for me, he's a handful.

    We would greatly appreciate any professional guidance, techniques, or training strategies you can offer. While I have experience, I have never encountered a dog quite this strong‑willed, and I want to ensure we are supporting him safely, compassionately, and effectively.

    Thank you in advance for your expertise.


    #Behavior,TrainingandEnrichment

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    Justin Terwilliger
    Chief Operations Officer
    Purple Paws For Peace
    CA
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  • 2.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago

    Justin and anyone else reading this respose, thank you for raising this. Based on the behaviors described, I would be cautious about labeling the male as dominant, stubborn, or simply strong-willed. Those descriptions do not identify what is driving the behavior, and technique-specific advice may be ineffective or potentially escalate the response without a more complete assessment.

    This question cannot honestly be answered with three training tips. Before offering an intervention plan, someone would need to ask questions such as:

    What leash length and equipment are being used?

    Where does the turning and jumping occur?

    Does it happen when the leash is shortened, tightened, or physically redirected?

    What happens immediately before and after the behavior?

    Is the dog approaching the handler, blocking, mouthing, jumping, or redirecting arousal?

    Does the behavior occur with every handler?

    Is it different on grass, pavement, near traffic, or around other dogs?

    Has pain, orthopedic difficulty, impaired vision or hearing, or neurologic dysfunction been evaluated?

    What corrections, handling methods, or training approaches were previously used?

    Is food functioning as reinforcement, distraction, a lure, or a source of frustration?

    How quickly does the dog recover after becoming aroused?

    What has the dog learned the leash, handler position, and walking environment to mean?

    These questions represent only the first layer. A complex case could easily require 30–40 relevant intake questions before anyone could responsibly recommend an intervention plan.

    Before selecting a training approach, I would also want to review the dog's broader medical and injury history, possible pain or sensory limitations, trauma exposure, prior learning history, known triggers, body-language sequence, recovery time, handling methods, and behavior across different environments. Neurologic and neurobehavioral contributors should be considered when the history or observed behavior indicates that further screening may be appropriate.

    I am a graduate student in the University of Florida Veterinary Forensic Sciences program and am developing a structured canine neurotrauma and neurobehavioral screening framework for complex and high-risk cases. My focus is distinguishing observable behavior from possible medical, neurologic, trauma-related, environmental, and learned contributors before determining an appropriate intervention pathway.

    I would not feel comfortable recommending specific corrective techniques based on a written post alone. However, I would be glad to discuss the case privately and explore whether a structured records review, screening process, or professional collaboration could be helpful. Richard Klapko, contact me at klapkorichard@gmail.com i am willing to discusse a case with anyone that you Justin great question.



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    Richard Klapko
    independent Forensic Investigator
    Compassion in Action
    CO
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  • 3.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago

    sorry about the typo 

    Justin, this is an important question, and I appreciate you raising it. I would be glad to discuss the case privately and explore whether a structured records review, screening process, or professional collaboration could be helpful. As well with anyone else that would like to talk about this area. 

    Richard Klapko
    klapkorichard@gmail.com



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    Richard Klapko
    independent Forensic Investigator
    Compassion in Action
    CO
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  • 4.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago

    The common use of "stubborn dog"  needs to be addressed. Stubborn is NOT a trait of dogs, or any animal for that matter. It can be fear, stress,  not understanding,  or confusion.  This is accorrding to UC Davis and several other universities. I hear stubborn used so many times about my breed.  Actually it's is usually lack of understanding what the handler/owner wants the dog to do. Sometimes it can be confusion, caution,  or self-preservation.  I'm amazed at the number of trainers that have not done their homework.   Any trainer that declares a dog stubborn needs to dig deeper and get some education.  THere is a reason for veterinary animmal behaviorist.



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    Linda Moore
    Pet's Second Chance for Life Inc, DBA PSC Welsh Corgi Rescue
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  • 5.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago

    Linda, I agree. "Stubborn" is an interpretation placed on the dog, not an explanation of the behavior. It tells us what the handler believes is happening, but it does not identify what is actually driving the response.

    What is labeled stubbornness may reflect fear, stress, pain, confusion, conflicting signals, sensory impairment, previous learning, excessive arousal, caution, or self-preservation. In some cases, the dog may simply not understand what is being requested or may not be physically or emotionally capable of performing it in that environment.

    This connects directly with my earlier response concerning the male dog who was turning and jumping toward the handler. Labeling him dominant, stubborn, or strong-willed would not explain why the behavior was occurring. Before recommending techniques, we would need to examine the leash and equipment, handler movement, environmental triggers, what happens immediately before and after the behavior, the dog's arousal and recovery, previous training methods, and possible pain, orthopedic, visual, hearing, or neurological concerns.

    It also connects with a broader concern I recently raised in my post, "Closing the 'Aggressive Dog' Loophole: Should High-Risk Dog Training Require Standardized Intake?"

    In that post, I argue that terms such as "aggressive dog" are often too broad and poorly defined. An untrained dog, a leash-reactive dog, a fear-based dog, a dog with one reported bite, and a dog involved in a cruelty or court case may all be placed under the same commercial label, even though they present very different behavioral, welfare, and public-safety concerns.

    "Stubborn" creates the same problem on a smaller scale. Once the label is accepted as the explanation, investigation may stop. The trainer may focus on gaining compliance rather than asking what the dog is experiencing, what is triggering the response, and what the dog has learned will happen next.

    Labels such as stubborn, dominant, difficult, reactive, and aggressive should be the beginning of an assessment-not its conclusion.

    That is why standardized intake, careful behavioral classification, veterinary evaluation, and qualified veterinary behavior consultation are important. The goal should not be to overpower a supposedly difficult dog. It should be to understand the behavior accurately enough to select a safe, humane, and appropriate intervention.



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    Richard Klapko
    independent Forensic Investigator
    Compassion in Action
    CO
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  • 6.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago
    And that presents another issue, who is a trainer or behaviorist? For example, our local shelter has a trainer. He has never been to a class, has no certifications, 
    but he is doing behavioral evaluations.  That is the norm. I once asked him if he had perhaps read any of Dr. Patricia McConnell's books?  Never heard of her. What
    about Dr. Zazzy Todd? Nope. I could go on. By law only a veterinary behaviorist may use the title behaviorist, but few people know this information. That guy with the shock collar is not a behaviorist or a trainer. He's a dog abuser. It's a losing battle.

    On Sun, Jul 26, 2026 at 8:35 AM Richard Klapko via Maddie's Pet Forum <Mail@maddiesfund.org> wrote:
    Linda, I agree. "Stubborn" is an interpretation placed on the dog, not an explanation of the behavior. It tells us what the handler believes is...
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    Richard Klapko
    Jul 26, 2026 6:33 AM
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    Linda, I agree. "Stubborn" is an interpretation placed on the dog, not an explanation of the behavior. It tells us what the handler believes is happening, but it does not identify what is actually driving the response.

    What is labeled stubbornness may reflect fear, stress, pain, confusion, conflicting signals, sensory impairment, previous learning, excessive arousal, caution, or self-preservation. In some cases, the dog may simply not understand what is being requested or may not be physically or emotionally capable of performing it in that environment.

    This connects directly with my earlier response concerning the male dog who was turning and jumping toward the handler. Labeling him dominant, stubborn, or strong-willed would not explain why the behavior was occurring. Before recommending techniques, we would need to examine the leash and equipment, handler movement, environmental triggers, what happens immediately before and after the behavior, the dog's arousal and recovery, previous training methods, and possible pain, orthopedic, visual, hearing, or neurological concerns.

    It also connects with a broader concern I recently raised in my post, "Closing the 'Aggressive Dog' Loophole: Should High-Risk Dog Training Require Standardized Intake?"

    In that post, I argue that terms such as "aggressive dog" are often too broad and poorly defined. An untrained dog, a leash-reactive dog, a fear-based dog, a dog with one reported bite, and a dog involved in a cruelty or court case may all be placed under the same commercial label, even though they present very different behavioral, welfare, and public-safety concerns.

    "Stubborn" creates the same problem on a smaller scale. Once the label is accepted as the explanation, investigation may stop. The trainer may focus on gaining compliance rather than asking what the dog is experiencing, what is triggering the response, and what the dog has learned will happen next.

    Labels such as stubborn, dominant, difficult, reactive, and aggressive should be the beginning of an assessment-not its conclusion.

    That is why standardized intake, careful behavioral classification, veterinary evaluation, and qualified veterinary behavior consultation are important. The goal should not be to overpower a supposedly difficult dog. It should be to understand the behavior accurately enough to select a safe, humane, and appropriate intervention.



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    Richard Klapko
    independent Forensic Investigator
    Compassion in Action
    CO
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  • 7.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 17 days ago

    Hi Linda,

    I love that you brought this up! You are very correct that there is an underlying reason for the term stubborn to be used. I am actually in a master's program for animal science and behavior and this has never been brought up. I admit that I even use the term when talking with pet guardians, however, follow through with reasoning or ways to address.  There are breeds that are labeled as stubborn, but I highly agree that it is human interpretation. I am going to follow this post for additional insights. Thank you!



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    Melissa Burg
    IA
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  • 8.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 15 days ago

    Richard -

    Just wanted to say thank-you for this statement:  "I would be cautious about labeling the male as dominant, stubborn, or simply strong-willed. Those descriptions do not identify what is driving the behavior, and technique-specific advice may be ineffective or potentially escalate the response without a more complete assessment."

    Utilization of objective language when communicating about canine behavior is extremely important.  As mentioned, discerning the reason for underlying behavior drive provides the best opportunity to support successful behavior modification and ultimately outcome for the dog(s) being worked with. 



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    Michelle Grimes | CPDT-KA, LVT, CVT, Elite FFCP-V, FFCP-T

    Animal Control Officer #275
    Keene Police Department
    Bureau of Special Services
    400 Marlboro Street
    Keene, NH 03431
    P: 603.357.9815
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  • 9.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 18 days ago

    Justin, Sounds like you have a great organization! Thank you for doing that work.

    I've had 5 years experience working with shelter dogs, much of that with dogs others found too difficult to work with. I highly recommend these two books: Jean Donaldson's "Culture Clash," and Jane Killion's "When Pigs Fly! Training Success with Impossible Dogs." Like Richard and Linda, Donaldson cautions against using labels like stubborn and strong-willed. (I agree with Donaldson that stubborn basically means noncompliant with our wishes, whether it's applied to toddlers, dogs, or coffee stains.) And Killion talks about the dog's mind-set and how to bring it around to an eagerness to learn from the handler. 

    Like you, I too, use a short leash and keep the dog close by as a way to not have my arm pulled off, but I consider that a short-term strategy for moving a dog from one place to another, not a training method. You mention your weight advantage in keeping dogs under control, but I wonder if it has served as a disadvantage. I weigh about half of what you weigh and worked very successfully with a problematic Bloodhound I only outweighed by 5 pounds: I've had to develop strategies for training that don't lean on weight or strength.  

    Killion suggests starting training with games rather than with the components of the behavior you are looking for. Here's a game I use with dogs just like yours who crowd and are focused 100 percent on their own agenda. I call it "Go," here's how it works:

    I let the dog see I have a treat, I very quickly toss it a short distance while I say "go," when they pick up the treat I say 'yes' (Sometimes I do this before front-loading 'yes' as a marker if the dog's behavior is just truly obnoxious, like that of the dog who stood inches from me and barked nonstop with a deep resonant voice – he taught me to wear hearing protection and to move right to 'go'.) I use a short distance toss at first so I can do a pretty rapid-fire treat toss, then as I see the dog gets it and is waiting for the next toss, I slow the game down and increase the distance. 

    This game gives me working distance from the dog and gets the focus on me. Once we have it reliably with me in a standing position - to the point it allows for off-leash work - I start walking slowly and dropping the treat next to me so it gets the dog in the correct position for walking. I switch the cue to "with me" and mark with 'yes.' It's helpful if the treat doesn't bounce much (snow is great for this : ) and it's important to do this in a low-stakes setting so you can avoid any need for corrections. I like to begin walking training with no leash because that makes it totally up to the dog where they are in relationship to me. I want them to make the connection between walking at my side and life getting better for them (the delivery of treats).

    Honestly, sometimes it's almost magical how quickly the dog, in a very low distraction environment with high value treats, will leave off crowding etc. and walk nicely next to me. In effect, they practice the behavior you are hoping for rather than practice the behavior that frustrates you.

    This does fall into the category of "tip," that Richard cautions against, but in my experience one good tip can go a long way in helping me and the dog make good use of our time while a fuller approach is worked out. I hope this strategy is helpful to you!



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    Eudora Watson
    Enrichment Volunteer, Dogs
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 10.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 17 days ago

    I've had good success with Susan Garrett's methods.  Here's a link to a video on leash pulling...https://dogsthat.com/podcast/53/



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    Heather Helmes
    Volunteer
    Spirit Animal Sanctuary Inc
    NY
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  • 11.  RE: Training very untrained dogs

    Posted 15 days ago

    Stubborn is a label that humans use to put the blame on the dog rather than on the trainer where it belongs.  :-)   If  a dog is behaving in a stubborn manner it just means that the trainer did not adequately motivate the dog to perform the desired behavior.  Additionally, there may be clarity problems where the dog just does not understand what is expected of it.

    Dogs pull on leash because pulling gets them where they want to go.  So it doesn't matter if you shorten the leash.  If the dog still gets to move in the directon it desires, then it will continue to pull.  Keeping the dog on a short leash also frustrates the dog as the dog is limited in accessing desired resources on the walk.  So counterintuitively for many people, you will have more success training loose leash walking by giving the dog MORE leash.



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    Lore I. Haug, DVM, MS, DACVB
    Texas Veterinary Behavior Services
    Sugar Land, Texas
    www.texasvetbehavior.com
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