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How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

  • 1.  How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-15-2023 12:29 PM

    One of the main reasons people relinquish ownership of their pets or seek euthanasia (of physically sound animals) is due to behavior concerns. Behavior concerns are the result of a need not being met in an animal. While this remains one of the highest reasons for surrendering, in the recent study published through Shelter Animals Count (2022) of services provided to the community by shelters and rescues to promote in-home retention of pets, behavior services were by far the least reported and equated to only 2.22% of community services offered. As a certified behavior professional, I've also been alarmed at some of the advice being handed out by rescue groups and volunteers for behavior modification and rehabilitation. not relying on a certified professional hurts retention rates as serious behavior problems inappropriately addressed or handled by outdated training methodologies increase the severity of the behavior problem over time. I do find that more and more rescues are beginning to budget for and hire behavior professionals but slowly goes the way of the buffalo as they say. 

    So - all that to ask the hive mind of the Animal Welfare Professionals - how can we collectively provide more community behavior and training services to the general public, to foster homes, and to adopters to better tackle one of the primary reasons for surrender and often euthanasia? What resources have you discovered in your community to help? Do you have a behavior and training outreach program for the community and if so - can you share what works for you and what doesn't? Have you received a grant to help with behavior and training you found particularly helpful? How do you keep up with the most current practices in behavior and training with your fosters, volunteers, staff members, and adopters? How can those of us in the behavior profession help you the most? 

    this graph shows the data collected from 1300 organizations that provide community services based on what types of services they provide

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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 2.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-15-2023 02:26 PM

    In working within the industry, I have always been aware of the lack of sufficient behavior services. Though, reading this and seeing the statistics, it is so obvious that there are many animals falling between the cracks, and lashing out in obvious cries for assistance.

    I started a conversation a few weeks ago about an elementary school for canines, however in our discussion of bouncing off ideas the biggest barrier was funding. We are currently restructuring our entire foster care program at the animal sanctuary that I represent in hopes to establish a program of this kind. I am eager to see what others have to say to help our animal friends through this crisis.

    Thank you for this prompt and for bringing it to everyone's attention.



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    Elise Smith
    Executive Director
    Fostering Love Rescues
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  • 3.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-16-2023 11:36 AM

    Hi Elise,

    Agreed! Funding is definitely a big barrier as not only is there often not enough funding dedicated to behavior and training, to begin with, but often behavior and training services cost more than common medical or supply needs.  $1500 can rehabilitate one dog with issues that take her from being unadoptable to adoptable but it's hard to raise $1500 for behavior when that equates to spaying or neutering six dogs or providing three months of nutrition to twelve dogs in need. 

    I think a lot of public and donor education will be needed regarding the severity of the problem and the life-and-death difference that behavior and training can make. Assessing a real value to what some may seem as another line item. 



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 4.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-18-2023 08:45 AM

    We feel passionate about the turnaround that dogs are able to make as well, being no such thing as a bad dog is a serious statement that I agree with more than any.

    In a dream world, we would be able to get government funding to open elementary schools for dogs. Replace doggy daycares with "daily" maintenance training for fosters, owned pets, and shelter pets alike. More people would be able to foster and adopt because leaving your pup alone all day would be a thing of the past. Dogs that are a risk of homelessness or euthanasia would get long-term proper training and consistent carry-out without putting extra pressure on pet parents!

    However, as we've all agreed, funding is always the biggest roadblock, and saying that government funding would fix everything, is definitely not the answer especially when they're already so many things that are lacking within the system as is, (especially our foster care for children, etc). 

    A few years ago, I wanted to start getting serious about becoming a dog trainer myself. I had two dogs of my own whom I was the sole caregiver, so I figured; maybe,  just maybe, if I was willing to relocate anywhere in the United States, I would be able to find a school where I could bring my two dogs and we could live on site so that I didn't have to pay for rent in addition to the school.

    For days, I collected a significant amount of notes from every school that I came across online and one that stood out above all the rest was a Texas school called Starmark.

    First, I loved that they said to bring 2 dogs of ANY temperament. Even the worst of behaviors are rarely turned away, if at all.  Secondly, they mentioned that if you did not bring two dogs with you, they have a partnership with rescues where they will pull dogs in and train them to their highest potential and then adopt them out.

    What I loved about this most was that the school had canine police dog training, search and rescue training, agility training, service dog training, as well as all of the basics on several levels. I didn't do enough research to be able to say that this is the best school by any means, however, the concept there stayed in my mind.

    If we had more schools like that nationwide, then we have people that are able to use FASFA for gaining Dog Training certifications and experience, while also directly assisting some of our toughest cases and lifting them up in the category that they flourish in the most. Coming from that direction, (human) students also have an on-site externship near the end of graduation with the pups in our community that need this the most.

    My proposal would be that several like-minded educational schools that were passionate about this mission, come together.

    Say, one department is a vet tech program, another is dog training, and one is grooming,  all under one roof. A classroom structure for the enrichment and group activities with the same dogs in their classrooms each day (insert dog behavioralist certification opportunities and electives; art, music, agility, recess) rather than doggy daycare open play that consistently confuses the pack pecking order.

    Allowing field trips where we can give tours like a college campus would is also a big one in my mind. I know when I was near graduating high school, a place to help me understand the options within the animal industry would have saved many years of back and forth, but also would have educated me much sooner about the epidemic of animal homelessness, and the importance of many animal care practices in owning my own dogs.

     Surely I can't be the only person that has thought of something like this, so there must be barriers I am uneducated in that would hold that back. I'd love to know where others see the most flaws in a system as such. 

    Thank you for all of the engagement!



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    Elise Smith
    Executive Director
    Fostering Love Rescues
    Franktown, Colorado
    Fosteringloverescues@gmail.com
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  • 5.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:25 PM

    Elise - 

    Thank you for this thoughtful response and idea - this gets my wheels turning! I've thought about offering behavior apprenticeships to those interested in exploring behavior consulting as a field. Utilizing shelter dogs would be an excellent way to help teach apprentices and work with dogs that need the work for adaptability outcomes. It does pose some financial strain without a grant or funding since the more time spent with an apprentice and shelter dogs, the less time spent with paying clients, as well as cases that they can see from start to finish. The shelter is an ever-changing environment.  

    Sara



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 6.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-16-2023 12:20 PM

    Given the usually restricted funding for government shelters, hiring a certificated animal behaviorist is beyond many organizations' means.  There are more obstacles though.  As a certificated Animal Behaviorist, what I can do is quite limited as I am a volunteer.  Even were the organization to offer my services to guardians who need help, they couldn't charge, and couldn't provide insurance/legal cover for me, the guardian, or the animal.  As much of an issue is the staff are unionized, which I support 100% having been a union member for decades.  But it means a non-union member doing work that might be fulfilled by a union member is not allowed without extended negotiations.

    What I am able to do is talk with someone in the adoption process, assess their experience, and offer suggestions on how to integrate an animal into their home with the least disruption and 'conflict'.  Most adopters are very open when I approach them.  I just wish it was part of the services offered as a matter of course, starting when someone brings an animal in for surrender.



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    Alan Gurevich
    RASKC
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  • 7.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:33 PM

    Alan - 

    Very true. I work with sheltering systems two ways - one through a nonprofit where our services are covered through donations to the organization, and the volunteers (myself included) are covered under organizational insurance. The second is through my private behavior business, in which I am covered under my own insurance for all animals that I work with in any environment (so the shelter has close to zero liability essentially). 

    I have seen more and more private rescues start to budget for and hire behavior and training professionals, which I think is at least a start. When we had an adoption program with my nonprofit prior, we also had a post-adoption training requirement in place for all adopters. That's a luxury at this point that only private rescues have, and shelters not so much. 

    I like the idea of more shelter intake diversion through education. It would be great to see more rescue groups and foundations working with the shelters on providing resources to scheduled intake appointments to try and provide what is needed and keep families together - behavior and training included. 

    Thanks for your input Alan!

    Sara



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 8.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-17-2023 08:04 AM

    Have you tried Good Pup?  They will offer a free week of online training, and discounts after that if it comes through a shelter (animal doesn't have to be adopted from the shelter, they just need the shelter qr code provided on flyer).



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    Tracy Arvidson
    Sand Springs Animal Welfare
    Sand Springs OK
    9182462543
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  • 9.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-18-2023 03:33 AM

    I will check out Good Pup, thanks. I wonder if there's something like that for cats. Lots of first time cat owners don't know where to start. 



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    Renee Milner
    Facebook page volunteer
    Animal shelter alliance of Rhea
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  • 10.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-13-2023 04:28 AM

    https://www.animalbehaviorcollege.com/cat-training/curriculum/



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    Cindy Eby
    Jackson, MI
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  • 11.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:39 PM

    Just learning about GoodPup - thank you! This is a great resource. 



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 12.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-21-2023 09:41 AM

    I partnered my shelter with GoodPup the first of the year and I hope that it helps! It is slow to start but it usually takes a few people before it really gets going.



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    Kate Williams
    Manager
    Animal Welfare Friends
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  • 13.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-17-2023 09:20 AM

    This is a great conversation to start! I definitely don't have all the answers but can address what we are doing at the moment to help our adoptable/adopted/foster pet populations. 

    We have been using GoodPup as a training resource for both fosters and adopters. It's a great online resource. Our front staff as well as our foster team are well-versed in dog behavior and can help address several issues folks may have.  We do follow-up calls with all of our adoptions and our foster team stays in contact with all active fosters for the duration they are fostering. We also have a few local trainers in town that we often recommend to anyone in need of training (however, as stated, paying for these services can be a barrier). We have a dog trainer that we use specifically for the shelter when needed. He puts together training plans for more challenging dogs at the shelter (when needed), so we can target that behavior while they are in our care. We also train our volunteers in what kind of positive reinforcement training we want to be used with our shelter dogs so they can help with training while dogs are at the shelter.

    As part of adult education, we offer an adult fall speaker series to our community. Often times we offer dog training as one or more of these free community classes. They are always really well attended.  This year we did a 3-part dog training series as our fall adult speaker series and then we offered an additional higher-level dog training class to our adult volunteers to help target our more behaviorally challenged dogs at the shelter. 

    If we have adoptable dogs that we know are going to need training once they are adopted (our much more challenging dogs) then we will offer to pay 1-2 dog training sessions with our dog trainer as part of the adoption.  We usually have a pretty low rate of return, but last year we saw our numbers go up a bit. The dog trainer that we use is now offering a free class at our shelter to all new dog adopters once a month (we pay for his services, but the class is free to adopters in hopes that all/most new adopters will attend). This is a foundations course where he sets the stage for what to expect with a newly adopted dog. It's such a great class to be able to set expectations correctly and help address issues before they actually become real problems in the house. Because this is a new program, we don't know the results of our return rate yet, but we're hopeful. 

    As far as owned community pets and behavior challenges, that is a tough one. Not only can the affordability of training be a barrier, but sometimes the time we as dog owners need to put in towards dog training can also be a barrier.  I'm interested to hear about any programs shelters/rescues have out there to help with owned community pets and overcoming training barriers and challenges. I do think this is one area where we'll see a new wave of creative programming surface.  



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    Erin Ellis
    Community Engagement Director
    Humane Society of Truckee-Tahoe

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    Foster Program & Volunteer Management Specialist
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  • 14.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:34 PM

    Erin - this is really helpful! I love hearing about these programs in place to support animals post-adoption. 



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 15.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-17-2023 02:49 PM

    I am so happy to see a few organizations mentioned GoodPup! It is our mission to keep dogs with their families through our shelter and rescue partnership program. 

    GoodPup is a positive reinforcement training company that aims to make professional training accessible and affordable to all. We connect dog parents to professional trainers for 1:1 training over video calls. 

    We offer a free week of our training program followed by a lifetime discount to all dogs referred by a shelter or rescue group. As Tracy mentioned, they don't have to be adopted from your shelter, they just have to be referred by your organization. This partnership program is free to all shelters and rescue organizations in the US and Canada. 

    We also offer gift certificates (called Scholarships) that shelters and rescues can purchase for fosters and other special cases. 

    Thank you for bringing up this question, Sara. This is a critical need and it is one that GoodPup is trying hard to address. I look forward to reading more about how others are tackling this problem as well! 

    Please reach out to me with questions about GoodPup at allie@goodpup.com and check out our web pages at: https://goodpup.com/ and https://goodpup.com/shelters



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    Allie Mayer, CPDT-KA

    Fear Free™ Certified Professional

    GoodPup (staff) and Louisiana SPCA (volunteer)
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  • 16.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:38 PM

    Allie - 

    I am so excited to learn about this program! Even more excited to see that GoodPup is a partner with our local shelter here in Charlotte, NC. 

    I think this is a really positive step to help with in-home retention. I also think being low cost and with shelter backing, it will be easier for rescue groups and foundations (such as the nonprofit I work with) to supplement training costs through a program like this to help keep families together that may be facing surrendering their pup. 

    I'll definitely be in touch!

    Sara



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 17.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 03-01-2023 11:55 AM

    Allie,

    We are working to integrate behavior/training support to underserved communities through our shelter's pet retention program.   Are you able to share the approximate cost of the service for clients referred by an animal shelter?  



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    Gayle Bair
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  • 18.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 03-01-2023 12:05 PM

    Hi Gayle,

    Absolutely, thank you for your question! 

    After the free week, there are two options. Your shelter can select the one that works best for your community:
    1.) A 10% discount for the client ($30.60/ week) + a $40 donation to the referring shelter 
    OR
    2.) A 20% discount for the client ($27.20/ week) and no donation to the referring shelter
    Please let me know if you would like to talk further about working together! You can email me at allie@goodpup.com or call me at (504) 256-0831. 


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    Allie Mayer
    GoodPup (staff) and Louisiana SPCA (volunteer)
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  • 19.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 03-01-2023 12:22 PM

    We began our Goodpup partnership the beginning of 2023. Being so rural, we needed another resource that was easy to access and affordable. 



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    Kate Williams
    Manager
    Animal Welfare Friends
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  • 20.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-18-2023 08:42 AM

    At my shelter, I'm in the process of setting up a program where I train volunteers to train dogs. They each choose a staff-approved dog, and then each week, I show them exercises to do with the dog to help work on their issues. After they get to know the dog a little better, I'll ask them questions as if they were the owner. Thing like behaviors they've noticed, or possible triggers, as well as improvements and new things to work on. It helps teach the volunteer to be observant of the dog's behaviors and pinpoint what the dog needs to work on. I then teach them exercises to address those issues, and they take the week to do that training, with a minimum of 2 training sessions a week. It helps keep the volunteers focused and hopefully returning as they now have a job to do, and it helps the dogs with their issues. 

    I'm training to get my CPDT-KA but I've found that when I train other people to tackle simple things like not jumping and targeting, it leaves me with more time to focus on the tougher cases like reactive dogs, or dogs with bite histories. Also, I'm trying to start puppy classes so we can get these newly adopted pups off on the right foot so they don't come back a year later. I also want to tell everyone who will listen about how dogs' behavior will change during adolesence. Every person I've trained who got a puppy tends to contact me 8 months later saying their very large puppy is now a nightmare. I think that informing people about the "teenage years" can be helpful in refocusing training and keeping expectations reasonable.

    Also, I'm a grant writer and there are a huge number of grants that focus on the human-animal bond that would be a good fit for a behavioral training budget. When you use statistics like XX% of dogs are returned to shelters due to behavioral issues, then your chance at a grant is increased.



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    MK Roney
    Dog Trainer, Grant Writer, Volunteer
    Humane Society of the White Mountains
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  • 21.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 05:47 PM

    MK - 

    I love this! Giving volunteers ownership is a powerful tool - especially when they get to see their efforts pay off with the dogs that they work with. 

    I'd be interested in learning more about the grants that you've written for that have helped you in the past to tackle some of these cases - we've had a harder time solidifying grants outside of very specific programming (mostly our Shelter Dog to Service Dog program). It's highly likely I'm not looking in the right places for human-animal bond opportunities. 

    Best of luck with your CPDT-KA! 

    Sara



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    Sara Ondrako
    Certified Dog Behavior Consultant
    Whole Dog Behavior and Wellness
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  • 22.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-19-2023 07:59 PM

    I am interested in the grant info too



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    Sandy Cole
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  • 23.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 02-20-2023 06:34 AM

    I was so excited to learn about GoodPup I guess it was last year on one of our Maddie's Monday Zoom Sessions . They totally explained what they offer, we downloaded the coupon and tell each of our new adopters about it and send them the coupon for their first session.  We strongly advise them to take it for any issue at all or even just because they brought a new pet in their house.  But they don't!!  I just don't get it. It's free and easy and they still don't take advantage of it and I know it would help so many of them. What's the saying? You can lead a horse to water.  Very frustrating to us because who doesn't need some support?   



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    Susan Leavitt
    National Coordinator, East Coast, VP Board
    American Maltese Association Rescue
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  • 24.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 06:08 AM

    MK, I  notice there were a few people looking to find out about the possible grants you mentioned surrounding dog behavior. I would also be interested in that as well.  if you could post that would be great.  Thank you so much.



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 25.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 07:10 AM

    MK, When you train the volunteers with shelter dogs, are you working with a group of volunteers who each has a dog to work with? Or are you workig with them one on one?

    I'd also love to see the list of grants that support behavioral training - if that was posted, I can't find it.  Thank you!



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 26.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 01:32 AM

    I would train them one on one (currently on hiatus as my knee is buggered). Basically, I would train that person on one dog, and that person could then use the lessons on other dogs they work with. It works because I've had people I've taught call me and tell me they saw someone in their own lives struggling and helped them with the issue (very minor stuff like jumping). The things I taught them were all pretty baseline behaviors, but for the tougher cases, I would train the staff on how to specifically help that dog. On cases I was lost on, I would research. If that didn't work, I referred out to a CDBC who lives nearby.

    As for grants, give me a few days to get a list together. Most grants can be made to pay for behavioral help as it's an area that's necessary to improve adoptions, but it can also improve understanding of canine ethology, can decrease return rates, can increase general understanding of dog welfare in an area, and it's entirely sustainable for shelters (get a grant to get 2 members of staff trained, have those staff then run classes for a small fee or for in-kind donations, etc.). Off the top of my head, Pedigree has a grant early in the year where 80% of their grants go to behavioral help and changes. One is for $15,000, the other is over 2 years and is for $100,000. Both have been used to hire behavior consultants or certified pro dog trainers to come in and train staff.



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    MK Roney
    Dog Trainer, Grant Writer, Volunteer
    Humane Society of the White Mountains
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  • 27.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 06:13 AM

    Thanks, that's helpful! 

    Sorry about your knee! I find myself working out so I can stay in shape to handle the bigger dogs, but it goes awry sometimes. 



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 28.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-12-2023 04:45 AM

    Again, I like what everyone is doing, but, Why Won't Anyone Talk About Giving the DOGS an Overall Dog Routine that suits THEM !?!? 

    I asked for people to share DOG routines, and although the one response was good, it still told me only about the person's abilities to help 1-3 dogs a day. Out of how many? And, How many other people are in the equation?

    Im here to help.  But I need you to want that help.  

    Do you like the shelter conditions, from your perspective And the Dogs'? Are existing shelter environments a good place for dogs' health, safety, and growth?

    If Yes, I'll say goodbye.  

    If no, Please, help me help you so more dogs have happy homes, more people have happy dogs, and shelters are not just less burdened, but are a shining example of exceptional care and understanding. 

    Do you think you can't because things are how they are? Are you afraid you can't because of the dogs?

    As individuals going in to help them is one thing, PROVIDING DAILY from their perspective is another, and why I'm here. 

    Who else is "training " throughout day with all the dogs while they exercise their bodies and Expand their minds? At least 3 X a day ?!

    Don't you all want that for them? And increase Your knowledge and improve Your skills? Plus, enable All people to have a better understanding and positive communication and connection with dogs?

    Do you think things are the best they can be?( In current Practice)

    Management - Modification - training. The 3rd is on shaky ground without the first two solidly incorporated. That's what's missing.

    I don't see shelter dogs getting their needs met as an adopted pet would in the home. If I can do it for an average of 20 dogs a day, others can too.  Good works aside, If you know differently, show me where. 

    What am I missing that Im not conveying the importance of creating the space and time to Really help Everyone, Dogs, staff, adopters, trainers…dogs, dogs and more dogs.

    How many dogs in your care will have positive multiple life lessons today and get to Run and sniff off lead at least 3times today?

    For me, ALL will, and more. How can I communicate with you all better?

    Think about this: conservatively, if in the last 25 years, I only walked 10 dogs to and from 1 yard 2x a day, thats 10x4 llw per day = x 360days = 14,400 lessons.  X 25 years = 360,000 dog walks / lessons before 8am. Now keep multiplying and you'll get close to what my dogs receive.  By myself.  All dogs welcome. 

    You don't know me, but I'm trying to change that, so Together, we can make a real difference in the lives of all dogs and those who care for and about them.



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 29.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-12-2023 08:26 AM

    Hi Diane, 

    I appreciate your passion about helping dogs by helping folks at shelters offer better dog-centric support. But I'm puzzled and find your question about what the dog's routine is hard to answer. Conditions at our shelter change from day to day as we take in dogs, hold meet and greets, adopt out animals and provide emergency medical care. Setting aside the cat popuation at the shelter, which outnumbers the dog population, the needs of the dogs at the shelter shift daily. 

    It seems to go in waves - for a while I worked with one extremely timid dog after another. Now we're in a pattern of getting in muscle-bound pitbulls, but the group of sweet but clueless  and clingy dogs that were taken in as part of a seizure of dogs that mostly ran loose in a wooded area hasn't gone away. The pitbull who has a delighful personality once she settled out of extreme defensiveness is also the most powerful dog I've ever failed to hold back on leash. Just getting her safely down the hallway to the exercise yard is an experience probably best tried out with two people and two leashes.  And not at all like the less-strong but extremely-reactive-to-other-dogs pitbull who tries to charge with ever muscle in his body every kennel we walk by. 

    I do believe I can learn valuable things from you, but I'd ask that you see that shelter folks won't be able to adopt each of the things that work for you or replicate your success. Is there a best-for-dogs shelter enviroment for dogs? Yes. It is easy to attain it? No. Should it remain a goal even if it is consistently out of reach due to the multiple complications shelters face? Yes. 



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 30.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-13-2023 07:14 PM

    Hi Eudora and all,

    Thank you! This is a start. I need to hear about conditions and concerns. None of our environments are identical, nor should they be. 
    Yes, conditions change for me every day as well.  
    Dog intakes ☑️
    Meet and greets / visitations ☑️
    Fosters / adoptions ☑️
    Walk ins ☑️
    Reunifications☑️
    Medical Assessments / prescribed treatments ☑️
    Feedings☑️
    Trainings (people) ☑️
    Office management ☑️
    Fielding calls ☑️(we have no county shelter and the city puts them on a waitlist, so those come my way and I do what I can and share resources)
    Janitorial ☑️
    Laundry☑️
    Groundskeeping ☑️
    Maintenance ☑️
    all me
    ☑️Some aspect of all these Daily In addition to Dog Handling* and Routine 
    Plus:
    -single parent raised a fantastic kid while 
    -Building / operating an entire business from the ground up with my own hands, heart, mind and soul 
    -did it On my own from homeless to here.
    Every small business owner will attest- no sick days, no days off, no matter the weather or problem, the job, for me, no matter the dog.
    If the dogs don't feel safe, I won't be safe. I make sure we are.
     
    If they're not feeling good, neither am I.  I make sure we do.
    Nothing comes before the Actual Dog Care - meeting all their basic needs, safely, (I'm more at risk of injury than they are)and taking each literal step to look, see, do, teach and learn. (Management Modification Training-MMT)Without doing so, there is no business. 
     
    Setting aside my boarding cats, my dogs, cats, and horses, and my house, my Dog Routine is Solidly in place Every Day. Yet it's fluid. Dogs love a routine, and are willing cooperators, if they know and want what's in it for them! I make sure they're able. That isn't always easy. And I Realllly want to share how to make it possible.
    Time and Space. Timing and Delivery.  Touch and Breath. Some of if not the most important aspects to dogs. And dog communication. Dog-dog, human-dog, dog-human. Are these staples in your (collective) understanding and practice in taking care and providing for dogs? 
    Please take a moment and consider.
    Small doable changes can make big differences in the overall quality of life, and just like good training, you build from there.
    I want / need to know what other dog spaces look like, are like, from an insiders point of view. Inside and outside.  From what I can see and knowing what I do, there's a lot of wasted space around facilities.  I want to show a different way/s to use that space in the time you have to benefit all species involved. From dog perspective.
    Timid ☑️
    Pushy ☑️
    Mouthy Jumpy Lunging ☑️
    Velcro ☑️
    Super scared /flight risk ☑️
    Over Confident ☑️
    Insecure ☑️
    Tiny-gigantic ☑️
    Medical problems known and unknown ☑️
    Possibly dangerous ☑️
    Definitely dangerous ☑️
    Who'd I miss?
    I have as many stories as there are dogs, as I'm sure you all do, and they all have their own stories too, but what matters in dog is Here and Now.  (It's a very good place to be). 
    They've taught me patterns of dog, communication techniques, and handling tricks that I'd like others to be able to learn and add in practice as well. The dogs will thank you!
    Slip leads - how many ways can I use 1,2,3 if needed, to safely, comfortably, confidently, guide massive (or not) unruly reactive (or not) dog/s to an open space where they are / FEEL safe and can move freely NOT Isolated but Independently. Talk about the ability to built trust and think!
    One of my favorite lead configurations was initiated by my daughter 20some years ago (I used it today with 120# puller so neither of us got hurt) when she was under 10 and helping exercise/train. A Big guy wasn't cooperating and she knew he was gonna pull her off balance going back. She used 2 leads in a unique way, plus body touch (things she'd seen me do), beautifully balanced by each other and I watched the dog key into his own body awareness and choose to focus and Walk With her (and her with him-Much like a good horse and rider). 
    I was impressed and inspired. I'm still learning from dogs, clients, and would like to learn from you all as well. 
    I work in an environment that helps me help dogs modify their behavior in order to absorb training. I want that for You too. 
    It's not up to the dog. It's up to me. Or whatever human is providing care In The Moment. 
    For example, I have a young Belgian shepherd ufa, intense, protective, smart, loving, loyal, reactive, learned bad habits that he's learning to overcome, trainable, sociable, but needs an experienced handler/home to adopt. 
         I had what sounded like a great candidate interested and she, having had several dogs of similar breed, then asked me if he'd kill her chickens.  I don't have chickens and told her, if you introduce him correctly (I teach what I know with the dog before adoption complete), he may be their best friend and guardian. If not, he may eat them. That's not on me, or the dog.  It would be on her.  I've given him a solid foundation to work with, but training is to task.
    That's true for every dog and adopter. The dogs success is in their hands. But we have responsibilities.
    I do all I can to help the dogs in my care, and the environment alone does most of the heavy lifting, and wear all the hats to run the business and live my life. Dogs Know us. It's us that are behind in knowing them.  We can change that. 
    I believe we can learn valuable things from each other, and I believe shelters CAN adopt and replicate new procedures (handling) and systems (yards). Adaptable and Replicable.  It's Science!
    Like good dog trainers, let's chunk it down to a smaller bite.  
    What is happening at your shelters from 7am-9am
    Average #dogs?
    # staff?
    Volunteers? 
    Available space?
    Let's keep talking. So much is possible and CAN be attained (short term/long term goals- I have some too that I need help with). 
    Food for thought: 
    A priority for all dog owners is to Let the dog Out. First thing in the morning and again and again. Funny it's not true for shelters. Don't you think it should be? Don't you want it to be? 
    Thanks. Chime in!
    Diane
    You can get a glimpse @wagodoches on tiktok 


    Sent from my iPhone


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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 31.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-12-2023 07:35 AM

     I am sure everyone is on Maddie's newsletter but just in case:

    On Wednesday, March 20, 2024, Maddie's Fund® will be hosting a half-day summit that will focus on finding homes for behavior dogs (more information to come!) In the meantime, we are looking for further input about topics in order to develop the most beneficial agenda for the day.

    (Please note that when we say 'behavior dogs', we're referring to dogs who have a home history of behavior such as fear, impulsivity, separation anxiety, resource guarding, etc.)

    The survey is short and should take less than five minutes to complete. Thanks in advance for your time and for your help in shaping this exciting event.

    Take the survey now. The survey closes on September 18, 2023. 



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 32.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-07-2023 10:06 AM

    Hi. I'm new to Maddie's but recently posted under 'behavior on a budget' thread. It may fit in here so if interested, take a look and let me know if I can help in any way. 



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 33.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-08-2023 08:48 AM

    I am a volunteer member of a small rescue in a small community - Aiding 2 Adoption Rescue, Pocatello, ID.  We have a few trainers in our community but so far no set budget for help with behaviors.  We became a partner with GoodPup for adopters and include a flyer with each adoption, but no family has taken advantage of the free week of training.  We took a young pup into care who was a wild child and appeared to have been abused - well, the pup was deaf and his original owners were unaware and did a lot of damage to that boy.  Needless to say, it was above our level of expertise and we found that not a single trainer in our community was interested or we felt not qualified.  We found a training facility in a larger neighboring metro area that we felt good about.  They did give us a 20% discount but it was still $4700 for the board and train (well worth the price in the end).  Needless to say, we had to do some quick fundraising and thanks to some very generous community members we got the funding.  It was a very stressful time for all and I immediately started looking for grants to apply for.  If we are approved, it would be nice to have a local trainer we could utilize. How do we navigate what our needs are - short-term work with animals and fosters, more intense services for some animals, the trainer's needs for a life and successful business (rescue is sometimes a middle of the night adventures, can't-wait-till-morning type of events), getting discounted services, etc.?



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    Sabrina Hill
    Aide 2 Adoption Rescue
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  • 34.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-08-2023 02:12 PM

    Honest question:   for those of us in areas where dogs are dying in droves, and there aren't enough rescue spots for all of them, what's the logic behind fundraising $1500 for "behavior turnaround" that may or may not result in a dog that has to be "managed" for life due to fearful genetics causing fear-biting, when another dog with no temperament issues desperately needs that spot?  

    I could fundraise $1500 on orthopedics to fix a hit-by-car dog with GREAT temperament who will be a fantastic adoption ambassador and family pet.   The risk seems a lot lower with the dog with the great temperament.  To me, that $1500 would be better spent on the dog with the great temperament.  

    I say this as someone who HAS spent that $1500 and more on a variety of the best trainers, consulted with a board-certified vet behavorist at a vet school, and gave the dog over a year of rehab....only to have a dog that the vet behaviorist said was unadoptable and would never be safe in the community. 

    (Also:  our insurer now has pretty strict standards on intake.  I think small rescue orgs that are working with turn-around fear-biters might perhaps want to have their director check on their insurance with respect to dogs like that.)

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    Maggie Thomas
    President
    Red Stick German Shepherd Rescue
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  • 35.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-08-2023 05:51 PM

    "One of the main reasons people relinquish ownership of their pets or seek euthanasia (of physically sound animals) is due to behavior concerns. Behavior concerns are the result of a need not being met in an animal. …"

    Yes. So behavior problems within shelters are because of the same reasons.  Do you agree their needs are not being met within the shelter structure?

    "…So - all that to ask the hive mind of the Animal Welfare Professionals - how can we collectively provide more community behavior and training services to the general public, to foster homes, and to adopters to better tackle one of the primary reasons for surrender and often euthanasia?"

    By having shelters be the epitome of dog care, where people can observe, learn about, interact with safely and help teach dogs necessary life skills through daily interactions, which they currently are not. Shelter environments are not, from what I see and No one has shown me differently, built for dogs. In fact, I need someone to explain to me how meeting the needs of dogs falls outside of the facility in which they're kept.

    If you are interacting with a dog, even just holding the leash, you are "training" because the dog is actively learning.  

    Please share what a typical dog day is for those in your care.

    What "behavior" problems need specialized outsourced instruction? Dog only?

    What behaviors are you routinely looking to have trained? 

    What does a day for shelter staff look like?

    What do employees need that they don't have? 




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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 36.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 04:01 PM

    I completely agree that interaction equals training.

    Diane, you ask about out-sourced training, but I'll contribute ideas about what training can be in-sourced. I'm not a credentialed trainer, I'm a volunteer who had lots of family pets and a few obedience and agility courses under my belt when I began volunteering. Before I started, I thought I was going to be "walking" the dogs (ha!), but actually, from the first day 2.5 years ago, I realized I was going to be training them, and I decided to gear that training to helping them become more adoptable. That goal incorporates, of course, the goal of helping them be less stressed in a less-than-ideal situation.

    Now I've had a lot of shelter experience and many, many hours of watching videos and reading articles and books while I searched for effective approaches to whatever behaviors I was faced with at the shelter. Besides looking for answers via research, here's my approach, which has proved effective for me and possibly helpful for others.

    Some volunteers try to take out as many dogs as possible during their visit -  I focus on 2-3 dogs over time and work actively to develop a close bond with them. My process begins with selecting which dogs I work with. Early on, once they saw my success with a super smart but very naughty young dog, who was adopted a few weeks after I began working with her, the shelter staff pointed out a deaf cattle dog as one I might want for my next "project dog." That dog became my primary dog and I selected another dog and those two became my primary and secondary dogs. If I only had time for one dog in a visit, I always chose the primary dog. While I was working with those two dogs, I kept my eye out for the next candidate for when a slot opened up through adoption.(This system, with its built in decision process really helped me focus and not fall into feeling badly about the dogs I didn't have time to take out.)

    I found I did well with dogs that were very fearful and expressed that by extreme avoidance (crouching, trembling, barking) or by extreme reactivity (lunging at the kennel door, screaming "get out of here").  

    For the very fearful dogs who practice avoidance, I generally start by just sitting in their kennel talking to them softly, not looking at them for the 20 minutes I allot to each dog. The first such dog I worked with taught me a ton - I decided after a few minutes of him watching me from the door to his outdoor run, that just sitting there wasn't going to work and left the kennel.  But the next day I decided I'd just wait him out. I sat for 20 minutes and we made a tiny bit of progress. I was thinking, 'okay, it's going to be slow going.' But on our next visit I was able to leash him. He went to the far end of the leash and averted his gaze, but when I stood up to go he came right to me and we went for our first walk.

    I usually begin work with a very reactive dog  by making them my "third" dog (and the dog I spend the least time with, by far.) I stand outside their kennel while they do their thing - which can look and sound super aggressive - I try to remember to stand sideways and not look at them at first. I say, hello in a calm, level voice, use their name and tell them how good they are and toss a treat over the top of the door. Often they are so reactive at first there is no point in waiting for even a tiny bit of improvement. I just toss a treat into their kennel and move on. But it really doesn't take long for them to recognize me as good news on the way and their reactivity cuts way back. They begin on their own to meet me with four on the floor, and I can move from tossing the treat over the kennel door to popping it through the opening next to the kennel door - keeping my fingers safely on my side of the door. 

    With some dogs, before I take them out on my own, I meet them with a staff member in the exercise yard as an intro. I always defer to staff and let them know how things are going by sending them email updates with training details. Often, these updates are passed on to the new owner. 

    When I'm able to take a dog from its kennel, I triage based on the behavior I see. Reducing jumping is often a goal, grabbing treats, and basic cues are runners up. But I also work with dogs who present as aloof or not interested in play. Aloofness and no way to easily warm up to a dog in the meet and greet room isn't going to impress anyone. Honestly, anything is possible - it is tremendous fun to teach a dog who shows no interest in chasing balls to get into it whole-heartedly.

    I generally end each visit to the shelter by going up and down the kennel hallway, stopping in front of each kennel to say hello and tossing a small treat to each dog, looking for the best behavior they're able to offer. It ups my reputation with all the dogs : ) and I also believe they are less likely to get agitated when they see me taking other dogs out because they know the sequence of events I set off when I arrive ends with them getting a treat. I love walking down a silent kennel giving out those treats. (Doesn't happen often because of other things going on or new dogs who don't know me, but when it does it is pretty golden). That trip also helps me get to know the dogs, which will be helpful when one or more of them gets a turn on my list. 

    I really appreciate all I'm learning through this site and hope this info is helpful!

    I think two elements are crucial to the success I have: my willingness to develop a close bond with a dog I'm hoping to 'lose' through adoption, and the shelter personnel's advocacy for their dogs. One person in the staff/admin/volunteer universe who is enthusiastic about a dog can make all the difference in others' attitudes. 



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 37.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 04:54 PM

    Eudora,

    You are an amazing volunteer. Thank you for giving the dogs agency. We often don't realize how much these dogs lose when they end up in a shelter. They no longer have a routine, people they know, familiar smells and sounds, feeling safe, and social interactions with their people or with other house pets. A rug has been pulled under them. Instead, they are bombarded with smells they don't know, stressful barking noises from other dogs, and strange people. This is what trauma looks like. While many of these new occurrences can't be changed, building a relationship gives these dogs something to look forward to. Your quiet sitting with them is a gift. These dogs are very lucky to have you as their advocate. I thank you for being compassionate. We need more volunteers like you. 



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 38.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 06:00 AM

    Eudora,  what a great procedure you have developed that helps allow the dogs a bit of time to settle as best as they can in the shelter. You must have great staff and a good organization that recognizes this need v. simply labeling these dog unadoptable.  Does the org now make this part of volunteer training so that more volunteers continue what you do?



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 39.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 06:48 AM

    Mary Lou,  the staff at PHS really are champions. They regularly work with dogs and cats, but especially dogs, that come in via abuse/court order cases, and they work wonders.

    Right now, the shelter is undertaking a major revamp of the volunteer process. Recently I helped design a better form for tracking volunteers' work with the dogs and a few forms for volunteers to record their observations of the dogs' behaviors. In the works now is adding  tiers of training, color-coded kennel cards, and volunteer ids to indicate tier level. It is pretty exciting, and a ton of work on their part.

    I've done the dog part of the orientation a few times, but over time the process has gotten shortened and it just isn't enough. Since I'm a volunteer, the Director doesn't want to overburden me, but I'll be glad to help develop and offer the tiered training that moves volunteers on from the easiest dogs.

    With my post yesterday, I finally started to write out the method I use, and I'll be figuring out ways to describe it and sort out key elements for success. I'm scheduled to help with two orientations next Saturday, so I'll see what I can get done by then.  (I just retired from teaching, so thankfully I have lots of lesson plan experience ; )

    Thanks for your and Julielani's encouragement.



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 40.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 11:37 AM

    Mary Lou,

    I took a peek at your organization and I completely fell in love with your philosophy and mission. What a wonderful group of animal advocates. I know the philosophy we share might not be the most popular (even here is the West Coast) but it is my beacon and guiding light. Thank you again for rescuing the "unadoptables." Let's Be Kind!



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 41.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 12:10 PM
    Thank you. I know it is much easier here in New England v. CA and many other states b/c our stray population is low in comparison.  (although owner surrenders w/ beh issues are at an all time high...Thank you Covid and its by-products). That is why I think it is our responsibility to concentrate more on these vulnerable dogs in our own back yard.  The vast majority of them keep teaching and telling us they can successfully be placed and so once you learn that you simply can't turn your back when you see a jumpy, mouthy, growly, barky, fearful, reactive.....dog. I simply reframe the question of what is this dog telling me he needs Not is this dog adoptable or not. It is ever so rewarding to see the transformation.

    MARY LOU MARAGANIS
    Co-Founder/President



  • 42.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 07:26 AM

    Hello all,

    Mary Lou, I also took a peek at your organization. I really appreciate the resources you offer.

    I read the bit about muzzle training and can see the benefit. I know our clinic uses soft muzzles for procedures that will trigger reactions; I think basket muzzles have potential to  work for introducing and staff and/or our experienced volunteers to those dogs whose early behavior has scared people off from wanting to work with them barrier-free. I'd use the 'slow intro with goodies' method  to ensure the muzzle training went well.

    Any advice abut brands? what to look for in a basket muzzle?



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 43.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 09:40 AM

    This is from one of our respected trainers:

    "I usually suggest Baskerville Ultra muzzles https://www.chewy.com/baskerville-ultra-dog-muzzle/dp/117373?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Baskerville&utm_campaign=20027453190&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fqnBhDSARIsAHlcQYQltzmKm-vbsVQhSzxu2W-L6MvIZCa48I0pLfE4DsDQdsFEaukQ8HsaAg3bEALw_wcB.

    They work well for most breeds, are inexpensive, and can be (somewhat) reshaped when placed in boiling water for a few minutes. 
    You can also get custom muzzles, which are good, but pricey https://trust-your-dog.com/ and https://www.biothane.us/applications/animal/shop-products/dogs-pets/bumas/
    When wearing any muzzle, the dog should be able to pant, eat treats or food, drink water, and vocalize. A muzzle should not impede any of those activities. It should fit securely so the dog can't push it off, but not be pushing into the dog's eyes. Here is a good video on fitting a muzzle properly https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+shikashio+muzzle+fitting+video&oq=mike+shikashio+muzzle+fitting+video&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTE5MTE2ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:451295b0,vid:6XzwUmSHyIc,st:0.


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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 44.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 11:20 AM

    Hi Eudora,

    I want to chime with regards to muzzle. It is an excellent tool to help keeping everyone safe but like any tool it can be misused. When possible, conditioning to the muzzle is best practice. Go slow and take your time! The dog will tell you when they feel good about it. Look for their anticipation where they see a muzzle. I actually support all dogs condition to a muzzle whether fearful or not. My dog does not mind wearing it and sometimes, I think they actually like it which makes me feel good using one. I do not leave the muzzle on for an extended of time. Even if the dogs feel ok about the muzzle, they tolerate duration. I reinforce wearing the muzzle by randomly have the dogs wear it for treats and then put it away. Even though I know my dog is conditioned to it,  I don't just use it when it is necessary. Intermittent reinforcement strengthens and maintains the behavior. I like basket muzzle and love to feed soft food through a tube. This way the delivery can be quick. Peanut butter and cream cheese/sardines (ewww) are my go to treats.  I also want to share some great videos from Chirag Patel and Emily lardham. https://youtu.be/1FABgZTFvHo?si=MGZdoZaNCUokdg94, https://youtu.be/mm59t2-ruzg?si=zOHJ3-ZAIDzKPz4M, https://youtu.be/KJTucFnmAbw?si=9mrH9yhsO7aUIZIe



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 45.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 03:26 PM

    i thought i replied about muzzles but am not seeing my post.

    so here it is:

    one of our respected trainers just sent me this: 

    I usually suggest Baskerville Ultra muzzles https://www.chewy.com/baskerville-ultra-dog-muzzle/dp/117373?utm_source=google-product&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=Baskerville&utm_campaign=20027453190&utm_term=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw9fqnBhDSARIsAHlcQYQltzmKm-vbsVQhSzxu2W-L6MvIZCa48I0pLfE4DsDQdsFEaukQ8HsaAg3bEALw_wcB.
    They work well for most breeds, are inexpensive, and can be (somewhat) reshaped when placed in boiling water for a few minutes. 
    You can also get custom muzzles, which are good, but pricey https://trust-your-dog.com/ and https://www.biothane.us/applications/animal/shop-products/dogs-pets/bumas/
    When wearing any muzzle, the dog should be able to pant, eat treats or food, drink water, and vocalize. A muzzle should not impede any of those activities. It should fit securely so the dog can't push it off, but not be pushing into the dog's eyes. Here is a good video on fitting a muzzle properly https://www.google.com/search?q=mike+shikashio+muzzle+fitting+video&oq=mike+shikashio+muzzle+fitting+video&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTE5MTE2ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:451295b0,vid:6XzwUmSHyIc,st:0.
    I love the suggestion by the other contributor about wearing around house, etc for treats. ...


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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 46.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 06:04 PM

    Thanks, Mary Lou,

    Points taken. I'll let the dog set the pace and keep sessions with it on brief and highly rewarding. And I'll check out the various resources.



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 47.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 10:38 AM

    Hi all,

    Eudora- fantastic job! You are an example of the people I'd like to reach. You are doing great work, but unfortunately, in an environment that works Against You And your students, both canine and human. 

    I'm here to talk about how, as a community, we can change that and enable people like you to really make a difference.
    I'm here because I agree. I'll share a little more of specifics in minute. 
    First, Maggie, yes and yes. Please , all, take advantage of the positive resources available.  
    And Julielam, you hit the nail on the head with "they no longer have a routine." Plus, you mention what they go thru is traumatic. Let me show you a little of my routine for the dogs.  All are One and one are All. 
    I'm here because it doesn't have to be. It can and SHOULD be a positive experience throughout for all.

    This is what I do, and have maintained this routine over 25 years to keep dogs safe, happy, healthy, and learning every step of the way, sometimes literally.  All of us.
    For example,
    This morning (every am with variations):
    6am:
    my little dog/ toy crew are released via dog door from their separate but communal (choices) living area to outside 1000+ sq ft yard while I prepare breakfast and meds (my dogs, cats, and boarding cats too)
    (Today 
    4 chihuahuas 
    2 yorkies
    2 cavaliers
    1 maltipoo)
    They are back in and separated to eat, I spot clean, check beds and waters while they eat and rest a minute for me to make my tea, then they are released for the day, I pick up/ wash plates, (love on everyone), and get ready to go out to the "big" dogs. 
    7am:
    I have 10 in/outs, 2 outside, 3 separate foster/stray spaces. 
    Today 
    Lizzy-k9x adopted thru me after being labeled aggressive. (She was misunderstood and is a great family dog)
    Huckleberry- intact male Golden (Lizzie's little brother)and Very inappropriately mouthy and jumpy
    Baxter -minigoldendoodle(foster level 4 human bite)
    *Myra(early release to help dad heal after procedure)was in lab breeding/training kennel until recently 
    Skye-shy but perfect 55#r
    *LilBud-(early release freebie Vietnam vet medical need)
    Radar-120# silver lab (foster level 3 human and dog bites)
    MonStarBear-Belgian shepherd (foster confiscation thru state troopers)
    Lucky&Momma-past shelter dogs inhome
    Griffey- my sanctuary BlueLacy now 15 has been here around 7years
    By 8:30 am 
    ALL have been leash walked (learning as needed) to free sniff/exercise in an individual yard), I have a layout and a system where we are separate together and together together)with Much individualized attention, there's so much opportunity and positive experiences for them (and me)to have I can't go into it all now.  Business has been picked up as I go, and now all are locked inside (4x6 climate controlled inside-4x14 semi covered patio outside) as I disinfect and clean outside runs. 
    Not a peep. They take advantage of the rest, knowing there's more to come).
    I continue rotation, meeting needs as needed (can explain further)as I clean and then a bigger exercise more specified and inclusive, until dogs are finished.
    I usually walk 3-5 miles during this time. I'm sure some dogs do way more)
    Imagine what all we learn! And I'm able to show people who the dogs Are. I want this for everyone.  It will help in All areas. 
    It's now 11am and I'm taking this hour to write this post. All dogs are resting with access to space, and most importantly, we see each other throughout the process, even when they're behind a wall !!!
    The day continues, and now I'm late to feeding the "big" dogs that morning exercise exercising is over. (One hour minimum between exercise and meals) I'll keep cleaning, they will eat, rest with chew/toy/, inside/outside by choice, until afternoon rounds. Then dinner. Repeat daily. 
    Dogs live In The Moment! I keep all the same dogs that enter shelters, and I'm not wanting to stop anything that you're all doing. I want to give you the space to excel on all fronts. I cannot let the dogs stay in a distressed state.  What you say is true.  I do it differently and those same dogs recover very very quickly as they Want to participate..
    Ok! Back to work!
    thanks, Diane 

    Sent from my iPhone


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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 48.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 11:16 AM

    Hi Diane,

    I love your schedule with the dogs. I do something very similar. Where are you located? Two things I prioritize with my dogs are feeling safe and enriched interactions.



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 49.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-11-2023 08:21 AM

    Hi. I'm in East Texas. I prioritize letting the dogs out and feeling good. They learn so much from watching me handle other dogs, so those in question ask to engage, and I explain the rules. We cooperate 



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
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  • 50.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 04:57 AM

    @Diane Cuff to address your question re: schedule:

    We are very small home-based operation - 10-20 dogs at a time - but we have had to develop a solid schedule that works pretty much wherever we are. (We've had to move 3 times, across states!)

    Our schedule looks like this - of course not exact but roughly:

    6am- All dogs go out, in batches if necessary depending on the weather for pee/poop/play

    7am- All dogs come in, puppies in crates, everyone else loose for relaxed play/nap

    9am- Breakfast

    9am- All dogs go out

    9:30am- All dogs in crates 

    12pm- Potty and water break for everyone, back to crates

    5pm- All dogs go out

    6pm- Dinner

    9pm- Last potty/water break, Bedtime

    We basically run everything like a doggie day care. Because we have our dogs for much longer than the average shelter, we are able to let them be loose and play together, and isolate anyone with an issue (female in heat, teenage drama, puppies) but this is much much easier on us than trying to keep every single dog separate. 

    Then we pretty much always take a dog on every errand we run, that does involve being inside the car. Grocery/food pickup, we have a dog ride with us. Coffee shop or park excursion, we have a dog with us. This way, each dog usually gets a special "field trip" at least once a week.

    My own experience and philosophy with dogs is that structure is #1. Love, affection, and play are very important but are all pointless if the dog has constant anxiety about when they are eating, drinking, and going potty!



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 51.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 12:52 PM

    Ky,

    Fantastic! We are quite similar :)

    Yes without the structure of the routine is part of the system working !

    So I run/rotate the dogs from 6:30 (pre sun-up /open for people 7am)-11am, incorporating lessons and rest, cleaning as I go.  Most dog hours of elimination are in the am. 

    Minimum 1 hour between all exercise and feeding

    First feeding noonish (smalls in the house are started and eat before 6:30) Im still cleaning and doing all the things, dogs rest, and I repeat exercise rounds after 3pm.  Supper 6ish.

    The beauty is no one is isolated and I can work several dogs independently all at once, while they acclimate to each other, etc., and build confidence and relationships safely.

    You:". Love, affection, and play are very important but are all pointless if the dog has constant anxiety about when they are eating, drinking, and going potty!"

    Me: yes yes yes yes yes !!!!!!

    I think we all have things to offer that work for us. Coming together we can get and give the best on all fronts. 



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 52.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 05:59 AM

    Honest answer:  We all agree that the number one reason owners/adopters surrender dogs is because  of behavior.  To euthanize the problem away is simply unacceptable especially when there are now so many proven successful techniques.  Just a few years ago we use to kill because of mild food aggression. Now we know that is most often a by-product of the shelter environment.  Same with jumpy/mouthy, lunging at other dogs on leash or behind barriers, etc.   As we learn, euthanizing for behavior should decrease instead of continuing with excuses like no guarantees or my favorite 'we have to keep the community safe.' I know we ALL agree that is a given.   I have fostered 100s of dogs….the few I have had to euthanize to my surprise were ones that were given stellar assessments/observations by ACOs and/or shelters.  So yes there are no guarantees on either end.  The $1500 question is for each organization but I would like us to simply take a baby step and not euthanize as the FIRST option. Try something!!! We have organizations here that have  large financial  means that suggest/offer euthanasia over the phone sight unseen or simply say they can't take the dog with providing little to no options. These are good organizations that have done so much for animal welfare but still continue to treat behavioral  issues as a small problem compared to other issues  and resist making significant strides to become a model  for success in that area.  Let's just start with not killing a dog as the First and Only option.



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 53.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 09:21 AM

    Mary Lou, does your organization accept behaviorally challenged dogs like fear-biters via transport?  We have a great transport network from Louisiana shelters up north.  That's really the only chance these guys with really serious issues have -- shelters have literally nowhere to send dogs who are fear biters or human-aggressive.   Shelters down here aren't targeting for jumping or puppy mouthiness -- but for dogs who deal with stress by nailing a human in the face.  And there's no time to try to fix those very serious issues -- otherwise you're asking the shelters to kill 6 other dogs who have no behavior issues and are adoptable to do a 6 month rehab stint for one that has major issues, in a high kill environment where there aren't enough, kennels, rescue spots, or fosters.  Every kennel space equals time for a dog, and time for one means someone else's time is up.   If these overcrowded shelters aren't making decisions based on behavior, they're making it based on space--which means some other dog needs the kennel so they have to empty it by killing a friendly, sociable, lovely dog to make that space.

    But if great organizations like yours have the space and means and are willing to accept them to do that major rehab, it would be a big help!  It's the big stuff that generates multi-thousand-dollar training/behavior bills -- any decent foster can deal with jumping and puppy mouthing.  The project dogs who need a whole lot of "turn around time" are the challenge.   If you take on "project dogs" from time to time, I can connect you to some shelter folks who would honestly LOVE to have a resource for these dogs.



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    Maggie Thomas
    President
    Red Stick German Shepherd Rescue
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  • 54.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-10-2023 05:44 AM

    Maggie, i will contact you off line since this is more specific b/w our orgs and not propelling the overall topic for others.



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 55.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-15-2023 01:22 PM

    Hi Mary Lou.  Like Maggie, I am desperate for any information on individuals or organizations that offer specialized training to modify aggression in dogs.  We have two large pit mixes that are beloved by our shelter staff and are relatively easy for them to work with. But both dogs have aggression problems -- one does not like any other dogs at all and the other is usually OK with other dogs, but goes into attack mode when approached by any elderly person with white hair.   Both situations make us very reluctant to adopt the dogs out because it's easy to envision a situation in which major damage or even death might occur.   Both dogs consequently have been with us for over a year.  We feel there is a possibility of mending these behavior patterns; but we are located in southeast Missouri, where resources are scarce to say the least. We can probably find transport to most anywhere, although the Midwest would be easiest.  Both dogs get turned out in play yards and/or walked twice a day and actually seem to enjoy their lives at the shelter. I don't think being in a shelter is the cause for their problems, as their behaviors have actually improved since coming to us. 

    We have donors who might be willing to foot the training bills for both dogs. But finding a place to send them is problematic. I've contacted a couple of large, well-known outfits that provide refuge and training for problem dogs. But they are either full or don't take in dogs outside their geographic areas. 

       I have jotted down the contact info provided recently by Julielani. If you can provide any more contact tips -- either in the forum discussion or through a private message, it would be greatly appreciated. 



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    Charlotte W Craig
    Animal Welfare Alliance
    Poplar Bluff, MO
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  • 56.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-16-2023 07:19 PM
    Hi Charlotte,
    You wrote:
    "I am desperate for any information on individuals or organizations that offer specialized training to modify aggression in dogs."
    Well, I am desperate to give individuals and organizations a yard system I've been using over 25 years that offers you the opportunities to specialize training exercises WHILE modifying aggression in dogs. 
    :)
     
    You :
    "Both dogs get turned out in play yards and/or walked twice a day and actually seem to enjoy their lives at the shelter. I don't think being in a shelter is the cause for their problems, as their behaviors have actually improved since coming to us. "
     
    Yes! But, why do you think someone other than you and staff/volunteers already working with the dogs would do a better job?
     
    Maybe you don't feel equipped? Can you say?
    You:
    "We have donors who might be willing to foot the training bills for both dogs. But finding a place to send them is problematic."
    Pretend you have $5,000. I can show you how to build the start of a yard system (tweaking what you already have which can expand more later, and fitting it into your existing landscape) and invest in yourselves and your own future successes for your dogs as well.
     
    They're doing well with you.  Let's see if we can build on that and give you all and the dogs opportunities to learn at your own paces, safely and freely. Self-reliance in perpetuity. Never ending education in dog. You will learn to trust yourself more when you can let go. You will also have so much fun! (At least I do.)
    You:  "I've contacted a couple of large, well-known outfits that provide refuge and training for problem dogs. But they are either full or don't take in dogs outside their geographic areas."
     
    Sometimes these end up as horrifying news stories. Again, if the dogs are improving daily in your care, you're on the right track. 

    Are you willing to share with me a little bit about your outdoor space? Square footage, existing yards and layout, on acreage ?
    Not only will the dogs in your care get to safely run and express themselves freely, (watch 'behavior problems' melt away), you will gain invaluable insight thru observation being able to see subtle, and not so subtle, natural behaviors of individuals and dogs in general. So many pluses, because with this system you can gauge what a dog's thinking/feeling thru its movements and be able to communicate and train from many positions, and see little changes as you move around that will really help you to understand the dog.
    I call it controlled freedom, and indirect play.  It allows the dogs to be true, and safe, and you will recognize meanings in what you see. They are conversations. You'll be able to see the dogs' progress, and improve your own skills, and work on specifics in a dog friendly environment.  There's SO much! 
    You will also be able to safely see if a dog is not suited to enter the pet population. For some, just because you can handle and train it, doesn't make it a suitable pet. I'm able to put dogs thru stages and test them safely. I'd love to get into it all!
    Would you like to know more? I will specifically explain my set up so you can build your own. I'm able to use it so many ways and it'll do what you're looking for. 
    Minimal financial investment.
    Huge returns. 
    Diane
    Sent from my iPhone


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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 57.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-17-2023 10:07 AM

    Hi Charlotte,

    There are so many good things in your post about the two dogs, let me point out. 1) The dogs are relatively easy to work with by shelter staff 2) They get to be in the play yards and walked twice so they are getting exercise and some enrichments 3) Enjoyed their lives at the shelter 4) their behaviors improved since coming to your shelter. 

    Having said that I appreciate your reluctance because it sounds like the dogs have some anxiety or fear issues. Almost 90% of aggression is due to fear. 

    Given that you have difficulties getting well-known outfits for training, would you entertain the idea of working the dogs with a trainer remotely? You can contact HART and unless the trainer with HART lives close to where you are, the training will most likely be virtual.  Meaning you will keep the dogs at your place but a trainer will work with staff to help the dogs.  https://rescuetrainers.org/. 



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 58.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-17-2023 09:20 PM

    Hi Julielani -- Thanks so much for responding.  I have sent our shelter director the website for HART and I am encouraging her to contact your organization.  I am hopeful we can work out something that will help these dogs.  Our shelter has been in business about 16 months and in that time, we have had to euthanize only two dogs out of almost 200 taken in. We are proud of that record. But these two current dogs really worry all of us. 



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    Charlotte W Craig
    Animal Welfare Alliance
    Poplar Bluff, MO
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  • 59.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 04:39 AM

    Hi Charlotte,

    I understand what you are saying and totally respect your wanting to continue to help these guys. 
    No pressure, just clarifying that my system will help you gain that valuable experience safely.  Just keep it in mind :) .  
    Chances are, transferring them will not make them better dogs.  They are who they are and it sounds like they're both happy at the moment. It's the people that aren't. Is that right?
    When I see these types of dogs post adoption, they've shut down to the point of LOOKING adoptable, but once out of the shelter, they come alive and go ballistic.  That's when my phone rings and it's a whole new set of heartbreak.  
    Story:  An elderly lady adopted mix breed (nany) from a Houston shelter. She ended up a prisoner in her home due to a very destructive and scary pet she loved and thought she saved.  After another bite to a human, she found me.
    That dog NEVER should have been adopted out.  And to an old lady in a knickknack covered house in town!! I did my thing, of course I loved the dog and she learned a lot, but she was never gonna be safe to others. My environment allows me to safely test her without any harm coming to others. My criteria for adoption eligibility dues not strictly entail my ability to manage, handle and train the dog.  It's if someone else can to the same level of safety.  This dog was always going to fail in situations where another could be at Great risk. 
    One of the last indicators was this dog was already muzzle trained. Wearing a muzzle didn't make this dog a safe dog. As soon as she put her nose in, (I only had to present the muzzle), she shut down and waited for any opportunity to pounce. 
    Having the strength to control the dog is not helping the dog learn to cope and make better choices.  He should not go anywhere until he can give focus to the handler every time he's asked. If he can't, he shouldn't be there.  Small steps. 
    I understand the wanting to, but I've seen enough to know there are some that we need to cull from the pet population for public safety at large.  
    I will post/describe my system that would help you, the dogs, and any adopters, all the way around. It works. And it'll continue to take your skills to the next level. 
    Btw, I did have to euthanize Nany. It was the right thing to do, and I still cry over her.
    Diane



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 60.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 09:42 AM
    Hi Diane --- Thank you so much for your advice and insight. I think you are right that some dogs need to be removed from the pet population; and I suspect these two are among those.  But I just want to give them every chance possible to mend their ways.  We have watched Father Time and personal attention change so many of the seemingly unadoptable dogs we've had.
        I fear nothing is going to change the two dogs I am worried about. But on the other hand, I am NOT a trainer and NOT an expert. I'm just trying to find one that will give these two a chance.  If it doesn't work out, then at least we know we've tried everything.
       Charlotte W Craig
        Board Secretary
       Animal Welfare Alliance of Southeast Missouri


  • 61.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 02:04 PM

    Hi Charlotte, 

    I understand. It's tough. Good luck. I hope there's a positive outcome.

    Just to try and make myself more clear, my yard system is ideal for "non-trainers" to safely give  any and all dogs a better chance while learning more about the dogs (and themselves ) when it comes to connecting and communicating. 
     
    I will post specs and maybe that will drive some conversation and interest in allowing dogs freedom of movement for greater understanding. 

    Is anyone interested?



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 62.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 04:08 PM

    Hi Diane, 

    I am interested in understanding your system - and, like at least one other person in this discussion, I don't have a tic-toc account and don't want to add digital portals to my computer or phone.  Whatever info you can share will be appreciated.



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    Eudora Watson
    Volunteer
    Potsdam Humane Society Shelter
    New York
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  • 63.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 06:16 PM

    I would be interested too as I am sure there are many others as well. More tools to help these dogs v. euthanizing dogs you simply don't understand as still  happens all too frequently in too many shelters. 



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    Mary Lou Maraganis
    President
    Animal Rescue Konnection
    Gloucester MA
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  • 64.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-19-2023 08:14 AM

    The flip side, though, is a foster that I have had for about 2 months now.  She had a bite history, earned at Animal Control, but no other background info.
    I did my best possible intro to her for me and my dogs, and it worked.  She loves us and has never one time threatened or warned us at all.
    However, introductions to other dogs (I dog sit) are kind of rough.  She has come through fine for every single one after an hour or so.  I continue to take in dogs if I know them.
    Her problem is with people.  None of my friends will come over with her here.  My sister came and stayed overnight, and by the time she left she and Penny were getting along fine.  But my sister DID get bit before Penny calmed down.
    We have tried so far 2 vet visits and the staff were not feeling safe even with a muzzle.  We will try again on Friday; I have instructions for some stronger meds than before to calm her down.
    I will keep working with her for as long as the rescue will foot the bill.  But right now, she is a liability for anyone who owns her.
    She needs long term help.  I am willing to do that.
    But that means that I am not available for more adoptable dogs.  And it means I can't have friends come over without also dealing with a very loud, stressed, ferocious dog.
    I have to wonder if she is a good use of resources.
    On the other hand, I really like her.  She has great habits and is learning to bark appropriately.  She is affectionate and playful.  She maybe has an attention deficit.

     



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    Cindy Eby
    Jackson, MI
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  • 65.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-19-2023 05:39 PM

    Hi Cindy,

    That gives me a clearer picture.  Giving the dogs a safe outlet to freely let it go in combination with positive exercises that you're already doing, will take more of her edge off and give you opportunities to capitalize on them. 

    It's a pickle, and one I find myself in occasionally.  You can't sacrifice everything else for this one. It's heartbreaking Every time.  You'll know for sure if you've hit the end when she's a definite liability to your life and livelihood.  



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 66.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-19-2023 05:26 PM

    Hi,

    I totally get that. It's my only foray into social media. It makes it easy to share.  No worries!

    It's been a day and my brain is just about out so I'll start a new thread tomorrow under _yard system_. 

    Keep in mind, no matter what space you're working with, the system can adapt to fit.  I will tell you what I'm working with, and why.  Please ask any questions or raise any concerns you may have.  

    Thank you.  Getting this out there is really important to me, and I know it can only get better with the right people behind it.



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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 67.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-19-2023 09:24 AM
    I am interested and do not do TicTok to see what u posted

    --
    Sandy
    Barkville Dog Rescue, Inc.
    Formerly BarkTown Dog Rescue and Sanctuary
    Events coordinator





  • 68.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-22-2023 05:28 PM
    Hi Julielani --- The director of our shelter is having trouble contacting you, so I told her to go to thelifeofkai.org and send you an e-mail.  If you see something from Corretta Bishop, Shelter Director for the Animal Welfare Alliance of Southeast Missouri, that's the gal.
       She is the director of the our no-kill shelter, which houses Jack and Max, the two big dogs with aggression problems that I wrote to you about through the Maddie's Forum discussion.
       You very kindly offered to help with virtual training sessions in your e-mail to me on Sept. 18. And because I'm not at the shelter every day, it makes sense for Corretta and one of the staff members to work with you rather than me. 
       So I'm trying to establish a communcation channel between you and Corretta Bishop.
      --- charlotte w craig
           board secretary
           animal welfare alliance of southeast missouri


  • 69.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-22-2023 05:39 PM

    Hi Charlotte,

    Here is my website https://www.thelifeofkai.org/ and I think the link in your post is correct. She can also contact me at connect@thelifeofkai.org

    Looking forward to connecting with Corretta Bishop

    Julielani



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 70.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous
    Posted 09-08-2023 02:55 PM
    This message was posted by a user wishing to remain anonymous

    Some private rescues require completion of a professional training group class in the adoption contract -- within 4-6 months, they are supposed to send a certificate of completion of a local training class of their choice.   Typically, it can be any style that suits them and the dog -- from IGP preparation for BH, to AKC style Novice OB, to a local clicker trainer, or even PetSmart-type class-- it's their choice.    My understanding is that rescues that do this see no returns at all from adopters who complete any style of class.    Of course, they aren't knocking on doors to take back dogs that don't complete it, but they might sometimes send a reminder email.

    But note the key here:  the ADOPTER chooses the style of training.  The message is "do whatever training interests you and feels right for your own needs, without any judgement about what kind of training you pick."

    OTOH, adopters get really mad (rightfully so) when shelters and rescues come at them for using credentialed trainers who use tools that *YOU* DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE (and make a lot of wrong assumptions about).   Our small rescue routinely was recognized at adoption fairs as having the best behaved dogs in the whole place, and fosters had carte blanche to take our dogs to group classes with a local trainer who did a lot for us, for free.   But.....they were wearing prong collars because this "balanced" trainer taught fosters how to use them correctly and humanely with virtually no force at all as a communication tool.    He was often in our booth to have teachable moments with people who thought they knew more than they did.

    Sanctimonious folks who have usually never accomplished much with their own dogs are a real problem and causing a schism in the rescue world -- that attitude (only my way is "modern" or "correct)  will cause super-experienced people to not foster, volunteer,  or even pull dogs from them.   They also result in hard-headed, high-drive dogs getting put down needlessly because they don't have the right tools in their tool box and drive away the people those dogs would LOVE working for.

    I know of elite trainer folks who stopped volunteering at shelters because "only cookies work" people made them unwelcome because they use a variety of different training methods, and a balanced approach with treats *and* collar pops.  The shelter literally lost people who could have placed high energy dogs in great working situations bc someone who had been labeled a "behaviorist" by taking online classes for a couple of years "knew better," rather than asking what they didn't know they made a lot of assumptions (grossly misunderstanding prong collars is super-common).

    The "my way of training or you're evil" approach doesn't build community.   Credentialed, professional trainers stop volunteering at shelters over it.  Civilians who've trained scores of dogs (sometimes at high levels) stop coming to walk dogs.  It drives away your most helpful volunteer squad.   If I had a shelter behaviorist say "only clicker training" I'd say "sometimes clickers are awesome, but you're young and haven't met enough dogs yet."   It's totally the right approach for some dogs.  But the trainers who believe only one-way works are nearly always those who haven't been humbled by a dog impervious to that manner of training.  While you chase "most current practices" at seminars, the old school folks who've been around the block with scores of challenging dogs (and put titles on more than a couple) have a big tool box to fit the dog's learning style -- you're alienating one of your biggest community resources with the judgmental "side eye."

    For those of you who THINK you know enough to give side-eye, spend a day with an club that uses a totally different method -- some AKC clubs with competitive OB still use elements of old-school Kohler, and IGP clubs are likely using prong collars.   Go see how much the dogs LOVE when those go on, how they build drive, and aren't used for pain but actually with less force than most people use on a martingale -- and let your mind be opened to "all of the above as long as used humanely."  Let your mind be blown by how happy the dogs are.   I have a big contact list of trainers and even vet-behavorists  who are great at different things and different kind of dogs because the longer you do this, the more you realize the world needs a lot of different ways of doing things because there are a lot of different kinds of dogs.

    If you dare to think it doesn't matter, here's a story about a dog named Amelia.  She was a bitch-boss German Shepherd at a city pound -- huge, sable, and intimidating.  She was easily a hundred points and looked like a wolf.   When shelter staff took her out of her kennel, she'd come up the lead with her mouth, stopping just short of biting them, and drag them all over the facility until they dropped the lead, and then they had to chase her.  Staff became afraid she'd bite them when she came up the leash -- but she always stopped right before her mouth would nail them.   She was set to be euthanized. 

    A breed specialist went to see what was going on with her.   The person who went was a little woman, maybe 5'0 with heels on.   She walked up to the kennel gate, where Amelia started popping off with a booming bark.  The woman said in her deep "Mama Bear" voice standing squarely in front of the gate:   "NO!"   Amelia stopped barking and cocked her head, thinking.  Then she wagged her tale and sat down, intrigued.    The woman leashed her up in a prong (not a slip lead), gave her one single light "pop" and another firm "no!" when Amelia started to go for the leash, and then the dog actually relaxed and dropped into a natural heel.  Her antics were over.   This woman took Amelia outside for the afternoon and tested some OB, and it turned out that Amelia had some German commands and a flawless nose -- she was "winding" things in the air  hidden up high from her, and finding them effortlessly.  She had some tracking history.  The shelter's "behaviorist" had never really seen who this dog was--well trained, used to no-nonsense leadership, and a big brat when she didn't get that leadership.

    When the woman went to the lobby to fill out the "pull paperwork," Amelia was in a "platz" (down-stay) at her feet.   None of the shelter staff could understand how this relaxed, obedient dog was the same one that had been terrorizing them -- but it was all because this dog was with someone who wouldn't put up with her crap and knew how to communicate in the way the dog already understood.  Amelia was actually relieved to be with "her kind of people."    She was eventually placed in an ex-military handler who loved her and understood her.  She ended up using her nose to alert naturally to seizures that the kid in the home started to experience -- Amelia would wake up mom and tug her to the kid's room right *before* the seizures started, without any training doing that.  She lived a very loved, happy life with this family, where there was good structure and leadership.

    That life was possible because someone who "got" Amelia was able to do a breed-appropriate evaluation of her in the shelter, and not just use treats and a slip lead.   It honestly saved that dog.

    So before anybody writes off styles that you're not comfortable with, remember Amelia.   Sometimes those old rescue folks who seem to do stuff that "alarms you" might know some stuff that you might learn from.    Many of them would come to your shelter and help if they were made to feel welcome, as they're the people out doing lots of dog training as a hobby. 




  • 71.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-08-2023 11:53 PM

    I am a certified trainer with a non-profit and a participating trainer with HART (Human Alliance for Rescue Trainers). https://rescuetrainers.org/  HART works with approximately 30 participating trainers who donate virtual behavior services to different rescues. Each trainer is committed to working with 4 fostered/rescued dogs providing 4 sessions for each dog annually. Depending on the issues, most rescues used all 4 sessions. I just piggybacked my new program "Welcome Home" to the  HART program. If the dog I was working with got adopted, to help with transitioning into the new home I donate a free one-hour session to the new adopter. It is well-documented that the newly adopted dogs are vulnerable to return the first two weeks of adoption which can be stressful for both humans and dogs so time is of the essence. I offer discounted behavior services and a sliding scale to be more inclusive. I am super excited to see Good Pup has a strong presence in the community.



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 72.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 03:44 PM

    One free resource that EVERY shelter and rescue can offer EVERY adopter is a handout on how to do a two-week shutdown.  Dogs that go through the shutdown rarely come back -- their brains have time to reset while they get acclimated and observe, and they aren't put in any situations to make bad decisions.  I was skeptical of it when I was a newbie many years ago, but I was persuaded to just try it with a challenging foster, and it was game changing.  We've used it ever since.  We recommend it to every adopter. 

    People resist it because they don't really understand that it's not parking the dog in a kennel 24/7.   Fosters who do it are great at explaining it to adopters, but it's pretty simple.  There are a thousand different styles of flyer for it online  that explain how to do it (just google and find one that works for you) -- but a lot of them are a riff on something like this:  https://www.dogsaredeservingrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/2-Week-Shut-Down-The-Adjustment-Period.pdf

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    Maggie Thomas
    President
    Red Stick German Shepherd Rescue
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  • 73.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 04:05 PM

    Here is the NiLIF protocol courtesy of SF-SPCA -- it's super easy.  Some of the fosters I've known over the years have done lots of training classes with all sorts of different modalities, and one of them introduced this technique to me years ago.  It can be done by shelter staff too.  FREE.

    It's unlikely to fix outright aggression, but you can end up fixing a lot of pushy, rude, bad manner stuff very easily just by integrating it into feeding protocols and exit protocols (e.g., going for a walk). 



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    Maggie Thomas
    President
    Red Stick German Shepherd Rescue
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  • 74.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 04:11 PM

    Here's a version of the two-week shutdown that we've used for years -- I literally don't even know who sent it to me or where it came from, so if you do, let me know and I'll give them credit.   I understand that uploading it creates a searchable archive, so at least it's here. 

    Here is another PDF articles that I've saved about the post-adoption period from Patricia McConnell.  It's copyrighted, but I would bet that the author would give shelters permission to share with adopters if asked, because she's a rockstar supporter of rescued dogs. 



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    Maggie Thomas
    President
    Red Stick German Shepherd Rescue
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  • 75.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 06:50 AM

    No one on this thread wants to unnecessarily euthanize a dog, and no one wants people or other animals to be hurt by an aggressive dog.  Thank you all for your willingness to address the   gut-wrenching issue of when to euthanize for behavior. As some comments indicate, it can be important to understand "why" a dog exhibits aggressive behavior. For example, the webinar, https://www.maddiesfund.org/solving-eight-common-dog-behaviors-that-happen-in-shelters.html, shows a dog exhibiting fierce barrier aggression in the kennel but a few minutes later exhibiting much different behavior when let out in the play yard. Studies show that many standardized tests used in shelters to help to "weed" out aggressive dogs from the adoption pool may be "no better than tossing a coin", and experience shows many dogs labelled aggressive in the shelter do not express aggression in the adoptive home.  For this reason, major animal welfare organizations strongly encourage that as many sources of information as possible should be considered before euthanizing a dog for behavior. One source of information that is not usually available in shelters is professional animal communication.

    o   I discovered the profession of animal communication in 2020 when I watched a video of a professional communicator demonstrating how she translated between animals and their humans for purposes of facilitating their relationship.  That prompted me to hire professionals to communicate with my 6th and current adopted dog.  Adopted in 2019 at 13 mos. my dog exhibited high anxiety that occasionally morphed into reactivity (snapping, snarling, lunging) at me and at other people and animals.  My efforts to reduce his anxiety had nominal impact and, in some instances, seemed to increase the behavioral indicators of anxiety. After watching the video, I hired professional communicators to access and convey information relevant to the root of his anxiety and reactivity. Based on that specific information I changed to a trainer who used methods more appropriate for my dog's background, made significant changes in my interactions with my dog and our routine, changed his diet, and added supplements. After making these changes, my dog is now comfortable taking walks in public parks. 

    o   Based on my experience with my dog, I initiated 2 Pilots with a small rescue and a medium shelter to assess whether animal communication can be a tool to improve the animals' behavior in shelters and can provide useful information to shelter staff. I'm currently finalizing protocol for Pilot 3.  (See my recent post in EVALUATING ANIMAL COMMUNICATION AS ENRICHMENT under the topic DATA and TECHNOLOGY).

    o   TO BE SURE, I am not suggesting or implying that animal communication is a panacea for behavioral issues.  Animal communication does not replace loving care, appropriate training, consistent routines, or veterinary evaluation and care. Rather the value of animal communication is, first, that communication with the dog, may provide information that is not accessible from observing behavior, medical examination or standard tests, and 2nd that the information provided, when shared with shelter staff, veterinary staff, trainers, fosters and adopters, can be useful in making decisions about care for the animal.

    o   I'd be interested to know if anyone has used animal communicators either for their personal animals or in the shelter.  And, if anyone wants more information on the two completed pilots or the proposed Pilot 3, let me know and I will provide the information directly to you.



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    Denise Nestel
    Founder
    Giving Animals Voice
    MI
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  • 76.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 10-05-2023 08:40 AM

    Maggie,

    Thanks for your reply and for sharing a resource. The SFSPCA let us know that the NiLIF protocol you shared is no longer something they use or share on their website so they've asked us to remove it here as well. I've removed it from this post but if anyone is interested in learning about the NiLIF protocol that Maggie is referring to, you can find many resources by doing a simple Google search for "Nothing In Life is Free". 



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    Kim Domerofski (she/her)
    Community Manager
    Maddie's Fund
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  • 77.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 10-05-2023 12:54 PM

    Hi Kim,

    Thank you for bringing attention to NiLIF with regard to SFSPCA.  I wanted to say something but did not think it was my place. Thank you for opening the door. I was a long-time volunteer at SFSPCA and this is something they have compassionately fazed out. If I may I would like to share Kathy Sdao's Everything in Life is free. The wonderful thing about working with dogs over time is we get to learn what works humanely and how to communicate better. NiLIF is a one-way communication. It works for us humans but it did little to help our dogs learn. We actually want to give our dogs more agency. Here is a video of Kathy Sdao talking about Everything in Life is Free.  Enjoy.

    https://youtu.be/btUpHxLotAM?si=AW1foj6WHShr4QYP



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 78.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-09-2023 04:30 PM

    Maggie,

    Could not agree with you more! 2000%. Dogs that often get in trouble and are at risk of being returned are those that the new adopter decides to forgo the two-week lockdown. It is so sad because so many people resist it. Just two weeks of doing nothing and you can save a dog's life. I am saving the PDF in my resources file, it is very good. Thanks. 



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 79.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-13-2023 04:20 AM

    I am not affiliated with a shelter, but I foster dogs frequently.  I have spent a lot of time researching the issue of behavior based surrender.  In my research, I came across Good Dog Academy, who has a really great basic obedience course online for exactly this -- preventing surrender.
    They make this program available in bulk -- you have to buy 25 courses at a minimum -- for only $10 each.
    Some friends who are trainers have told me that folks just won't do the training even if you give them the course.  So I thought, well, what else do dogs need that people have a hard time providing?  Monthly preventatives.  
    I would like to write a grant that provides the preventatives if the adoptor follows through on training.  Maybe have a weekly assessment of progress and if progress is shown for 4 weeks, they get that month of preventatives for free.
    Lots of people simply do not realize that you need to train a pet.  When they see how great the bond between them in increased, I think they will want to pursue this.
    I would love to share the training program, but the one they gave me for free is not shareable.  You can check out their training methods at https://www.gooddog-academy.com/.
    The local shelter here is not interested in this program, unfortunately.



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    Cindy Eby
    Jackson, MI
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  • 80.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 04:08 AM

    Hi Cindy,

     
    You wrote:
    "I believe that many dogs are so separated from their intrinsic dogness that they are right on the edge of a mental health break. "
     
    I believe you are right! 
     
    If we take an actual look at the lives we're asking pet dogs to live, they are far removed from living a dogs' life. 
     
    Not here! And sounds like, not there with you :)
     
    When people can see their dogs being themselves, it can open their eyes to what their role is, becoming accountable and taking responsibility.  When they see their dogs shift in the moment (sometimes I just have to take the lead, show them how to soften their hold and that you only get attention if you give it), they have to admit it's not on the dog, it's on them. 
    If you don't do the work, you won't get the results. Environment produces behavior.  The dogs are telling.
     
    You:
    "I think there is something special about this piece of property.  Dogs get happier here, and they get along better.  They run off some anxiety, maybe.  They dig, sniff, run wildly and patrol the perimeter."
     
    Same!! And, Not maybe - of course they do!  If you have happy dogs, you have healthy dogs, easier to manage, modify, and train.  That only happens if they can run and just be at times.
     
    Then there's the biology and neuroscience of behavior. The environment plays a huge factor in how the brain is able to function.  
     
    You:
    "I would like to transition from dog sitting to making my yard available by the hour, a' la Sniff Spot.  I would continue fostering problem dogs who would of course get the benefit of the yard.  I have been looking at different set-ups...and agility section, a water feature, etc."
    In business, you are responsible for everything that happens in your care. You can be held liable or negligent if something goes wrong. (Insurance isn't the answer, just a net).
     
    I am also about Prevention. Safety first!! That's a driving force behind my system. Each dog is entitled to be whoever he is, and it's my job to keep him safe, healthy and happy.  It's also the only way I can be me, too.  We are partners and work together.  They teach me, I translate, and try to teach their people, improving overall quality of life. Without true free observation, there's gonna be misunderstandings.

     

    Everything you want to do can be incorporated! Just like training, know what you want specifically beforehand, and know your limitations, not just your strengths.  You will continue to grow.  

    My deign allows for dogs to be dogs in the presence of dogs without any threat or intimidation from dogs, all while helping them. The benefits!!!

    Story:  8 y/o f border collie, got to where traveling was too hard anymore, so she needed to start boarding. Mom was sooo nervous because dog was a nervous type and would cross the street on their walks to avoid dogs in backyards.  Of course she was awesome and did great, because they can ease in, know they are safe At All Times, and I got them. They expand. I'll get back to that. Anyway, mom calls me after they'd been home, and she can't believe how dog now prances thru the neighborhood past all the backyard barkers!! 
     
    She had good safe experiences that, well, I'd love to ask a neuroscientist to explain the plasticity of her brain. 
    You: "The intro is still pretty rough, though.  I hate to have my clients see it; that they trust me enough to take care of their pet and do good by Penny is quite a compliment."
     
    The intro meaning dog-dog intros?
     
    My system is designed for this to happen safely, or not at all, but no dog loses the privilege of being a dog. 
    I will explain in detail but, you can see my set up - warts and all - on tiktok @wagodoches. I just posted a dog asking to play and one not giving consent.  They way I let them decide increases their trust and deference to me. Check it out and ask away :).
     
    One thing I've noticed Missing about talks on intros is PREVENTING mishaps. That's top of the priority list.
     
    There is so much, and I'm glad we're getting started. Without a doubt, I'm here for all dogs, and hopefully, some people too.
     
    Diane


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    Diane Cuff
    Owner/operator
    Waggin'Tails Boarding Kennels
    TX
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  • 81.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 05:04 AM
    Is there another way to see other than tick-tock your intro? I don't want to add another app to my phone.



  • 82.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-18-2023 07:51 PM

    Hi Diane,

    I would love to hear more about your intro system and it sounds very sensible and safe. Looking forward to hearing more about it. Unfortunately, I don't have TikTok either. Thanks in advance.



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    Julielani Chang
    The Life of Kai: Compassion Connections Inc.
    Davis CA
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  • 83.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 04:41 AM

    Hi Sara! This is an old post I realize, but I wanted to add my 2 cents that I believe a follow up email AFTER the first week of adoption, would really help.

    I usually send out 3 follow up emails:

    Email #1) 1-3 days after: Updating microchip and transferring vaccine records, pet food tips, statement of ongoing support and check-in with how things are going

    Email #2) A week after: Best practices for preventative care, tags collar and leash options, next appointments for their pet, another statement of support and check-in

    Email #3) After the honeymoon period, 2 weeks+: Pet insurance options, basic training tips, ask for photos and again support and check-in

    I do LOVE the idea of also including options for cheap/free training, options for vetting including pet telehealth, etc! I've never done this before but I'm realizing most people do not have the same level of dog experience as we do. Also the information that is out there is soooo tribal and polarizing that it can be really unhelpful. Really, every vet and every trainer has a different opinion - if they continue to seek out what works for them and their dog, they will be on a good path!



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 84.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 08:17 AM

    Hello! I wanted to chime in and reply to this statement in the post from @Ky Xia - "I do LOVE the idea of also including options for cheap/free training, options for vetting including pet telehealth, etc!"

    You can include discounted training from GoodPup! GoodPup is a virtual positive reinforcement dog training company (like telehealth, but for behavior)! GoodPup offers a partnership program for shelters and rescue groups. Through the partnership, you receive a special code to give to adopters. The code gives them access to a free week of behavior assistance, followed by a lifetime discount if they choose to continue. Your rescue group also earns donations from GoodPup for referrals through this program.

    It's easy and free for organizations to participate.  Please contact me for more information! You can email me at allie@goodpup.com or call/text 504-256-0831.

    Sincerely,

    Allie

    Allie Mayer, CPDT-KA
    Fear Free™ Certified Professional
    Manager of Shelter Partnerships
    allie@goodpup.com 
    c: (504) 256-0831



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    Allie Mayer, CPDT-KA
    Fear Free™ Certified Professional
    Manager of Shelter Partnerships
    allie@goodpup.com
    c: (504) 256-0831
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  • 85.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-20-2023 01:34 PM
    Hi Allie -- I am passing your contact info along to our shelter director.
    ---thanks so much,
    charlotte w craig
    animal welfare alliance of southeast missouri



  • 86.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 01:53 AM

    Please be wary of programs like GoodPup!

    Apparently they charge a ridiculous amount and the reviews are not great if you dig a little. Yesterday their website was down the entire day. I am personally against the "free" promo model that pushes your clients into programs they would never have signed up for themselves.

    https://www.ipetguides.com/goodpup-review/

    This review says they charge $34/week. Which means within 1 month our adopters will have paid as much for the "free" app as they did for our dogs.

    Honestly I'm surprised Maddie's even allows them to promote here, it's like the "free insurance" offers they promote through breeders. You are basically pre-selling your adopters info without their knowledge or permission.

    If you want to send free videos to support your adopters, there are plenty of truly free resources that do not involve signing them up. Doggy Dan for example is great, and short and sweet.



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 87.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 10-12-2023 11:56 AM

    Goodpup is one of the most accessible training options currently being offered for dog parents. There is a severe shortage of profession behavioral help out there and availability and cost are barriers to many. The shelter partnership program they offer has helped so many dogs stay in homes and I would hate for someone to be swayed away from considering it due to misinformation.

    First, the reviews are actually great. Just like any other service, customers will not be happy 100% of the time and mistakes may sometimes be made - but you can check google, facebook, etc and Goodpup is consistently rated 4-5 stars.  Anecdotally, our adopters have also had positive things to say.

    The article you linked notes 2 problem: cost and trainer credentials. You can actually find more information about trainer credentials right on their page, and from our partnership with them we know that all of their training staff is certified and has years of behavior experience on top of going through Goodpup's organizational training. I'm sure you could get the specific credentials of a certain trainer, or any other information you wanted, if you asked. Everyone we've engaged with there has been incredibly helpful and kind. As far as cost, they do not advertise "free" training (although they do have free webinars that our staff has really enjoyed). The cost and timeline is made clear to clients, and it is easy to cancel. They also offer a FULL refund within the first month if you are not happy with their service. We all know animals are an investment, and training is no different. The first time an adopter goes to the vet, they will likely have paid as much for the visit as they did for the dog. I don't think that's a fair assessment. $34 for a training session is an unbelievably low price in the current dog training market. With the first free week, that's 10 individual training sessions for about $300. I know tons of trainers/programs that charge $100-200 just for your consultation.

    Lastly, to address "You are basically pre-selling your adopters info without their knowledge or permission"- During the adoption, we give the adopters a flier and the adopters sign up if they want to. Goodpup does not solicit them without permission.

    I hope this was helpful and I would encourage any interested (or skeptical) parties to just reach out and have a friendly conversation with @Allie Mayer :)



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    Kieran "Z" Peoples
    Dog Behavioral Health Manager
    Rescue Village
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  • 88.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 01:58 AM

    Please stop the solicitations, I will be flagging them. One "info post" is enough, you are hijacking a community forum to advertise your service.



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 89.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 09:08 AM

    Ky,

    Thank you for sharing your concern about the Goodpup posts on this thread. After reviewing the thread, we see that other forum members mentioned Goodpup a few times prior to @Allie Mayer sharing info on the program so we have decided to keep those posts. She shared the costs in one of her posts and you shared your thoughts on their program and those costs as well. We respect that our forum members have differences of opinion which is evident in posts about Goodpup on this thread. If you or other forum members have any other questions or comments about Goodpup, please contact Allie directly.

    Thank you!



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    Kim Domerofski (she/her)
    Community Manager
    Maddie's Fund
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  • 90.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 11:20 AM

    Does Maddie's get paid from Goodpup?

    This would be a fun thing for a journalist to look into.



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 91.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 11:29 AM

    Hi Ky,

    No, Maddie's Fund is a family foundation fully funded by an endowment. We do not accept donations or funding from any other sources. You can learn more about us here.



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    Kim Domerofski (she/her)
    Community Manager
    Maddie's Fund
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  • 92.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 11:24 AM

    I have participated in forums all over, my whole life. The ONLY time that solitications are allowed is when the host personally benefits. Which is a marketing scheme.

    We're all familiar with this with the dog food companies, it would be tragic if it comes out that Maddie's and HASS is making money from back end affiliate deals.

    We are not stupid.



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    Ky Xia
    Rescue Operations
    Tender Hearts of Texas
    Abilene TX
    http://tenderheartsoftexas.org
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  • 93.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-21-2023 11:54 AM

    Ky, 

    I am assuming good intent on your part and that your last post was made prior to seeing my response about how we are funded.  

    The intention of this forum is to share information and resources that help keep people and pets together.  Maddie's® Pet Forum is dedicated to maintaining a respectful and inclusive community. Please review our community guidelines and keep them in mind when participating. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me directly.



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    Kim Domerofski (she/her)
    Community Manager
    Maddie's Fund
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  • 94.  RE: How Can We Provide More Community Behavior and Training Services to Reduce Intakes and Returns?

    Posted 09-23-2023 06:25 PM

    Hi Ky,

    As Kim stated, Maddie's Fund is a private family foundation. We do not accept money from private individuals or businesses and we do not endorse any product.  At Maddie's Fund, we're very lucky in that we don't need income and are able to focus on collecting and sharing info.  If you go to Maddie's University, you'll see that all of our courses are free. 

    Related to this,  we encourage people to share knowledge and experiences that will help people and animals. I'd love to hear about the resources that you use, as I'm always looking to expand my selection of resources that adopters and fosters can use.  Any others you recommend?

    Sheila



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    Sheila Segurson, DVM
    Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Behaviorists
    Director of Outreach and Research
    Maddie's Fund
    Pleasanton CA
    9258608284
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